NATO Drills Storming Poland's Beach Just 100 Miles From Kalingrad!

[jjjppp11]

Wait for the end of the month, Greece has to pay its debts... it defaults, Euro crisis ensues, then Russia takes its opportunity in Ukraine, according to Theiner. Very concerning.

An economic meltdown in the EU would certainly curtail any NATO European participation in Ukraine.

Someone is going to have to school me in EU economics vis-à-vis the Greek equation. That is a subject I am not familiar with enough to make any kind of judgement about.

Make a thread under General Discussion if someone wants to do that.

Honestly never even thought about how much an EU meltdown would change the war in Ukraine...

 

[JohnStone]

Honestly never even thought about how much an EU meltdown would change the war in Ukraine...

Depends, I understand the US floats most the NATO expenses, not to mention most the ships over there are American.

Unrelated, but this below shows how much defense spending has dropped since the President took office. Still above everybody else though. Higher now than during the end of the cold war, not sure if the chart takes inflation into consideration, probably not.

As far as Ukraine goes, they really haven't gotten that much in aid. I mean yes, it is in the millions, but that isn't much for the scope of an entire country, especially one that is at war.

 

[ArmyATC]

Honestly never even thought about how much an EU meltdown would change the war in Ukraine...

Depends, I understand the US floats most the NATO expenses, not to mention most the ships over there are American.

Unrelated, but this below shows how much defense spending has dropped since the President took office. Still above everybody else though.

That's true, but hard to keep an alliance together when civil unrest is raging across your continent. And it will hurt the US too. It's the immediacy of the chaos that's the problem, not the long-term military expenditures.

It will be an opening for Putin to make a move because the west will be busy policing its citizenry and 'terrorrists' and cyber attacks. It's bad.

 

[AlbertGrand]

Very, very bad news, my friend.. Looks like your insights are ominously correct. May God help us..

Seems this may happen sooner than later.. And when it does, I pray for you guys in Europe and the US will be 48 hours behind.

Not to mention, WWIII will probably start..

Not taking credit myself, it was Theiner's tweet that kind of linked the two in my mind and of many who saw it.

 

[JohnStone]

Pretty much, we're all interconnected in today's world. What happens to EU (including war), will affect us as well. Could take months, or only minutes, but we'll feel it too.

 

[AlbertGrand]

RT: If the US understands Russia's reaction to encroachment and Kerry’s statements prove that why not try a different policy?

JC: That’s a good question. Why not? Because the current policy hasn’t worked. I think to Mr. Kerry’s credit he did try to begin to institute a thaw in this new Cold War when he travelled to Sochi with President Putin and Foreign Minister Lavrov in May. That was a very good sign, but it was very telling that between his meeting in Sochi and the G7 that the people who are for a very hard-line response to the Ukraine crisis responded and they basically denounced and undercut Kerry’s move towards a détente.

Yes, it's Russia Today, but this guy does seem to back up the idea of a power struggle within the US administration that the Hawks are winning.

http://rt.com/op-edge/268066-nato-war-games-russia-border/

 

[ArmyATC]

RT: If the US understands Russia's reaction to encroachment and Kerry’s statements prove that why not try a different policy?

JC: That’s a good question. Why not? Because the current policy hasn’t worked. I think to Mr. Kerry’s credit he did try to begin to institute a thaw in this new Cold War when he travelled to Sochi with President Putin and Foreign Minister Lavrov in May. That was a very good sign, but it was very telling that between his meeting in Sochi and the G7 that the people who are for a very hard-line response to the Ukraine crisis responded and they basically denounced and undercut Kerry’s move towards a détente.

Yes, it's Russia Today, but this guy does seem to back up the idea of a power struggle within the US administration that the Hawks are winning.

http://rt.com/op-edge/268066-nato-war-games-russia-border/

And will continue to do so. The only way I see any chance this doesn't explode is one way only. That is if Ukraine unilaterally announces recognition of Crimea in some form thats palatable to them. Then the West could save face and say that is the will of the Ukrainian government, so be it. This would give the hawks nothing to fight over. Russia would follow. Small chance of reality, but the only way I see.

But as we've seen , since Powers visit explicitly put Crimea tightly under Western claims, this won't happen. Not unless Ukraine itself demands it and very publically.

The fact this is the most obvious answer and it hasn't happened leads me to believe Ukraine is being pressured not to do so as part of this absurd containment policy against Russia. The US must allow Russia at least one warm water port that's accessible to mainland Russia.