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Possible Medical Incident of International Concern-Congo: UPDATE-SOLVED

Spyglass

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This may become a bigger story in the coming weeks. Getting ahead of it. SO FAR - the pathogen is confined to the Democratic Republic of the Congo. The pathogen has the makings of what we first saw during Covid, which is what has my alarm bells ringing. WHO is involved, and on the ground sampling and identifying, and sequencing the pathogen. This could be a virulent bird flu strain, perhaps something new. Hong Kong is already screening for it at airports. Very very early. Here is a tweet with a summary, and I will gather some more info as time goes. HOPEFULLY… this isn’t anything more than a “puff” in the wind, but I have a feeling it’s *POSSIBLY* an airborne pathogen, transmitted via respiratory droplets, and bodily fluids. Biohazard level 4 stuff.


- 143 dead, per Reuters yesterday- Affecting predominantly young adults- Spreading since 24 Oct- Centered in Kwango province- Symptoms include fever, headache, cough- WHO team is on the ground attempting to identify


CONGO - MYSTERY ILLNESS "The disease emerged at a time of increased influenza circulation, and the culprit is likely to be airborne,"Now this is concerning.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1864466249658585208


https://twitter.com/x/status/1864844787238736275
 
Update on unidentified illness in Congo:Today, Congo's Health Ministry held a press conference about an unidentified illness in a remote area of Kwango province. Here's a detailed summary written by our team.•

The outbreak is taking place in very remote area with poor road access, especially now during the rainy season, which makes the investigation more difficult. Communication is also limited.•

There are high levels of malnutrition in this region and healthcare services are limited. This means the population is more vulnerable when they become sick.•

On Friday night, the health ministry received an alert from local health officials about an unidentified illness. A meeting was held on Saturday morning. The first team was sent the next day and had to travel more than 400 kilometers (250 miles). They arrived on early Tuesday after a 2-day trip.•

Based on the initial report from the team, there are currently 382 suspected cases, including 71 deaths. Of those, 27 died at healthcare centers and 44 died at home. The current number of active cases is unclear.•

The illness is characterized by fever, cough, runny nose, headache and body aches. In more severe cases, patients are also suffering from difficulty breathing. "So it really resembles flu symptoms," the health minister said.• Out of 382 suspected cases, 198 are in children below the age of 5 and 113 are 25 or older. Among the 27 people who died at healthcare centers, 21 are younger than 10.•

Of those who died at healthcare centers, 17 died due to respiratory distress and the other 10 died due to lack of treatment. Those 10 were suffering from severe anemia but blood transfusions were not available. Health minister: "We don't know if the anemia is caused by the disease or if the disease is occurring in addition to an anemia condition (such as malnutrition), but in any case, 10 of the 27 needed transfusions and they passed away."•

As mentioned, 44 people died at home. "It has not been confirmed by doctors. It's when a family says: 'We lost someone. They also had the same symptoms.' We count that as a case," the official said.• Health minister: "The team that has arrived is now mapping out the symptoms to better characterize what is happening. They have also taken samples, which need to be taken to the lab in Kikwit. It's a very remote area, so it takes time to get the results and potentially identify the cause."• Health minister: "We are fairly certain that it is respiratory, because people are dying from respiratory distress. Respiratory distress with an initial presentation that, as I mentioned, resembles flu symptoms."•

The earliest suspected case dates back to later October, which is also the start of the flu season. "Could it be a severe seasonal flu affecting a fragile population with malnutrition, anemia, and other diseases? Or could it be another pathogen? We will know once the results are in," the health minister said.• Could it be COVID? "The mortality rate, which is around 7.5 to 8 percent (based on deaths at healthcare centers), makes us think it might not be COVID, because COVID doesn't have this level of mortality. However, this is a very fragile population, so it’s also possible that it could be a virus of that type affecting vulnerable people."•

What's the level of concern? "The alert level — I would say we're on maximum alert. This means we consider it a type of epidemic that must be monitored as closely as possible," the minister said."Can we expect a large-scale epidemic? I can't answer that question because I don't have a crystal ball to predict what will happen. ... It depends on the diagnosis.""I can't say yet whether it's waterborne, a bacterial infection, or transmitted through coughing. We need to identify the pathogen first before determining how it spreads."•

Results are expected on Friday or Saturday
https://twitter.com/x/status/1864843727849615758
 
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May we live in interesting times.

You know, nobody is going to even want to react right now if another pandemic happened. It'd get a lot of us, idk how willing wed be to shut stuff down again...

Nah but real talk, I generally don't concern myself with tropical diseases. Lots of people in the tropics, I'm not one of them. Theres every so often some "unknown" tropical disease that doesn't go anywhere.
 
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Spyglass said:
COVID was an unknown bat disease… look what happened there.
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No it was a known lab disease. Bats and pangolins had nothing to do with covid
oversight.house.gov

FINAL REPORT: COVID Select Concludes 2-Year Investigation, Issues 500+ Page Final Report on Lessons Learned and the Path Forward - United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform
oversight.house.gov oversight.house.gov

The curious thing is that this illness seems to attack mostly young. The area it’s in reportedly suffers from malnutrition. Which would increase complications and death for any.

Remember all that uproars about Zika. It’s been around for decades in the tropics most commonly misdiagnosed as dengue.

Who knows Typhoid outbreaks occurred in that area. Could be a combination of being already infected with a water borne illness and a particularly nasty flu virus taking hold.
 
OReid said:
No it was a known lab disease. Bats and pangolins had nothing to do with covid
oversight.house.gov

FINAL REPORT: COVID Select Concludes 2-Year Investigation, Issues 500+ Page Final Report on Lessons Learned and the Path Forward - United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform
oversight.house.gov oversight.house.gov

The curious thing is that this illness seems to attack mostly young. The area it’s in reportedly suffers from malnutrition. Which would increase complications and death for any.

Remember all that uproars about Zika. It’s been around for decades in the tropics most commonly misdiagnosed as dengue.

Who knows Typhoid outbreaks occurred in that area. Could be a combination of being already infected with a water borne illness and a particularly nasty flu virus taking hold.
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I was referring to the accepted reality at the time which was COVD was a bat disease. I knew it was a lab leak from day one. But yes I hear you.
 
Spyglass said:
I was referring to the accepted reality at the time which was COVD was a bat disease. I knew it was a lab leak from day one. But yes I hear you.
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I’m sorry it was such a catastrophic incident that I’m still very pissed off that our governments and research entities facilitated with the Chinese the deaths and damage covid caused. Who’s been held to account for the deaths it caused. And I don’t just mean the Chinese researchers and gov. They were working with many in western nations to do this research.

Wanna label something genocide, Covid was unpremeditated genocide.
 
OReid said:
No it was a known lab disease. Bats and pangolins had nothing to do with covid
oversight.house.gov

FINAL REPORT: COVID Select Concludes 2-Year Investigation, Issues 500+ Page Final Report on Lessons Learned and the Path Forward - United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform
oversight.house.gov oversight.house.gov

The curious thing is that this illness seems to attack mostly young. The area it’s in reportedly suffers from malnutrition. Which would increase complications and death for any.

Remember all that uproars about Zika. It’s been around for decades in the tropics most commonly misdiagnosed as dengue.

Who knows Typhoid outbreaks occurred in that area. Could be a combination of being already infected with a water borne illness and a particularly nasty flu virus taking hold.
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When it comes from politics, I am extremely suspicious.
It is not a new pandemic that worries me, it is your new health director, Kennedy!
 
Torch said:
I was going to say “manmade genocide” but yours works better!
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In 2012 Fauci was asked about the risk of an epidemic coming from gain of function research.
“It was worth the risk!”
www.yahoo.com

Fauci Argued Benefits of Gain-of-Function Research Outweighed Pandemic Risk in 2012 Paper

In 2012, Anthony Fauci argued that the benefits of gain-of-function research are worth the increased risk of a potential pandemic-causing lab accident.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
Well was it still worth the fucking risk?

They were/are still doing this in “contained” in labs. Where it is dehumanized and viewed only as cultures. Never giving a thought to the potential death that those isolated samples might cause.
And like a bad fucking b-movie, oops! Look the other way, hope for the best.
Did we outlaw gain of function in the US because they were actually concerned? Or because a lab in China could do it with less oversight?

That is why they all need fired. Forget prosecution, that will never happen.
 
Sorry for derailing the thread
 
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Anyway this is not an unknown disease.
It’s an undiagnosed disease.

And in an area where malnutrition and complete lack of basic healthcare are routine, I would not listen to the scaremongering bells.
Can be literally everything.

Until the tests say otherwise.

Just to make an example…Congo is STRUGGLING with mpox.
Which besides the general panic, turned out to be a nothing Burger (obviously).
While in Congo it’s still killing people.
 
Charmender said:
Anyway this is not an unknown disease.
It’s an undiagnosed disease.

And in an area where malnutrition and complete lack of basic healthcare are routine, I would not listen to the scaremongering bells.
Can be literally everything.

Until the tests say otherwise.

Just to make an example…Congo is STRUGGLING with mpox.
Which besides the general panic, turned out to be a nothing Burger (obviously).
While in Congo it’s still killing people.
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The virus has a CFR of approximately 20%. It’s possibly airborne, flu-like, and causes anemia. It could be anything, but a 20% CFR affecting young healthy adults and children, regardless of malnutrition is highly concerning. We saw similar fatality rates with the first waves of COVID.

We haven’t gotten word from the WHO on what this is. If it were a simple flu, we’d know by now. The R0 seems to be 2-3 from my guess. The data points to more than nothing. Not something to dismiss.
 
Spyglass said:
The virus has a CFR of approximately 20%. It’s possibly airborne, flu-like, and causes anemia. It could be anything, but a 20% CFR affecting young healthy adults and children, regardless of malnutrition is highly concerning. We saw similar fatality rates with the first waves of COVID.

We haven’t gotten word from the WHO on what this is. If it were a simple flu, we’d know by now. The R0 seems to be 2-3 from my guess. The data points to more than nothing. Not something to dismiss.
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It's probally not much to worry about. Random diseases pop up every so often in the region, but they often struggle to leave Africa.

Not concerned until it spreads out of the tropics.
 
Spyglass said:
The virus has a CFR of approximately 20%. It’s possibly airborne, flu-like, and causes anemia. It could be anything, but a 20% CFR affecting young healthy adults and children, regardless of malnutrition is highly concerning. We saw similar fatality rates with the first waves of COVID.

We haven’t gotten word from the WHO on what this is. If it were a simple flu, we’d know by now. The R0 seems to be 2-3 from my guess. The data points to more than nothing. Not something to dismiss.
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-Speaking of CFR in this situation honestly...makes no sense...is like pretending to make an electoral pool, by reaching 10 peple. It doesn't take into account all of the people that could have been without sympthoms. (as usual in these areas...check Mpox).
It's always like this, CFRs for diseases in these places are 10x-30x higher than in advanced countries.
-Again, the area is missing of even the most essential healthcare structures.
-There's no proof up to date that the disease is caused by an airborne pathogen, we don't even know which pathogen is.
-Anemia is caused by malnutrition in these areas and it's endemic.

"Regardless of malnutrition..."
Malnutrition and poor healthcare have always been the main drivers of extremely higher CFR rates compared to developed countries.
So...no...it's not regardless of malnutrition.

I dunno why you want to force a comparison with covid, the settingand the circumstances are completely different.
Not even mentioning the R0 estimate, which even the most experienced ID specialists struggle to properly calculate.

WHO hasn't published any test result yet because of the difficulties to reach and leave the physical location due to natural obstacles and the war involving the militia Mabondo.

Of course this could be a deadly new virus that can kill us all...I mean everything is possible, even an alien invasion.
Or...more probably...is like the other tens of times, is caused by Mycoplasma.

But you're free to believe to whatever you want and makes you feel happier.
Just to say...Mpox in Congo in the last months killed ONE THOUSAND people.

That's like 4 times more than the deaths occurred in the whole rest of the world.
Apparently we're all still alive (even if by looking at the media back then, Mpox was supposed to worse than COVID....LOL.
 
Charmender said:
-Speaking of CFR in this situation honestly...makes no sense...is like pretending to make an electoral pool, by reaching 10 peple. It doesn't take into account all of the people that could have been without sympthoms. (as usual in these areas...check Mpox).
It's always like this, CFRs for diseases in these places are 10x-30x higher than in advanced countries.
-Again, the area is missing of even the most essential healthcare structures.
-There's no proof up to date that the disease is caused by an airborne pathogen, we don't even know which pathogen is.
-Anemia is caused by malnutrition in these areas and it's endemic.
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What the hell does this even mean? Speaking of CFR means everything. It’s literally the number one metric by how you judge the potential severity of an infection in a host. You are also completely incorrect with your 10-30x logic. By your logic, Ebola would be approximately a 2-3% fatality rate in westernized countries. Ebola is endemic to that area. Is it possible poor nutrition and healthcare could increase CFR? Yes. However, the WHO doesn’t deploy to the middle of the fucking jungle with an entire crew to identify a simple flu. Furthermore, Anemia is not endemic to those areas, not every patient has anemia as a presented symptom.

I am simply looking at the data, and I do not like it.
Charmender said:
"Regardless of malnutrition..."
Malnutrition and poor healthcare have always been the main drivers of extremely higher CFR rates compared to developed countries.
So...no...it's not regardless of malnutrition.
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Ebola kills half its hosts, unless incredible medical intervention is performed. The ICU’s capable of that care in the entire world is paltry. The natural fatality rate of a virus is determined by the end number of deaths. Malnutrition does not matter. If this disease spreads to western countries, theoretically it could go down. Even a virus with a 2% CFR in the west would be catastrophic right now. But, please…keep downplaying.

Charmender said:
I dunno why you want to force a comparison with covid, the settingand the circumstances are completely different.
Not even mentioning the R0 estimate, which even the most experienced ID specialists struggle to properly calculate.
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In not sure you read what I typed. I didn’t force a comparison to anything. I mentioned that the data and similar social media signals REMINDED me of the very beginnings of COVID, and set off similar alarm bells. The discussion of COVID mostly came from the community. Keep trying to lawyer me though.
Charmender said:
WHO hasn't published any test result yet because of the difficulties to reach and leave the physical location due to natural obstacles and the war involving the militia Mabondo.
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The WHO can’t keep those samples on ice forever in the jungle. They set up a mobile lab, and have access to Starlink. This isn’t the 19th century. I didn’t imply a conspiracy to hide results if that is what you are implying that I implied.
Charmender said:
Of course this could be a deadly new virus that can kill us all...I mean everything is possible, even an alien invasion.
Or...more probably...is like the other tens of times, is caused by Mycoplasma.
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Nice little psychological trick, gaslighting, maybe a little strawman. You really aren’t a good shill.
Charmender said:
But you're free to believe to whatever you want and makes you feel happier.
Just to say...Mpox in Congo in the last months killed ONE THOUSAND people.
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The WHO magnifies lots of diseases for political reasons and funding. Once an unknown pathogen hits the WHO’s radar, and assets are deployed, and we have data like we have behind it, it’s worthy of being concerned about it months before it becomes a major problem.
Charmender said:
That's like 4 times more than the deaths occurred in the whole rest of the world.
Apparently we're all still alive (even if by looking at the media back then, Mpox was supposed to worse than COVID....LOL
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I see you still can’t help yourself from picking my posts apart with your factless rants. I’m convinced you may be a government shill at this point. Maybe I am RIGHT over the target… If you are a shill you are a very bad one.

But sure, I’ll play your game and respond to your complete bullshit line by line. Please see above.
 
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