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Putting It All Together

Publius said:
Inevitably? Got a source even a marginally reputable expert claiming this?
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I am sorry, and I really don't want to offend anyone personally, opinions are opinions and are always respectful, but it is very...very hard to read this discussion, on this forum, without coming out with one of my critical posts.

Europe (???) moving to take Kaliningrad? I think it's not even int the wettest dreams of the most antirussian politicians in Europe, unless proven by some kind of trustworthy (not existing at least now) report.
Also...wtf is Europe?

EU? That is not a military entity, therefore cannot do anything from a military standpoint.
France? Germany? The UK (which is not even EU)? They have opposite interests and for sure, none of these involves nuclear war with Russia.
Latvia? Lithuania? That joined together don't even make the population of Rome?
Poland? Romania?

Russia taking the Suwalki gap? I am sure that it's an idea that some people in Russia periodically have on their minds.
Then they remember that, yeah maybe having a war that could turn nuclear with NATO, doesn't look like a great idea.

Then there's the US (well Trump) that periodically keeps selling the "we're quitting NATO", "let's blow up the whole continent of Europe, they hate and defraud us", until they remember (actually they perfectly know this) that Europe represents the core of the global business (for the US and viceversa) and that a major war in Europe would start a global economical depression, from which it would be impossible to recover for decades, destroying the whole financial market first, they irreversibly halting the whole supply chain.

Let's keep the politics out of this forum, or at least out of this section please, and speak about facts.
 
Torch said:
Yes. Yes. Yes.
1st. Finland.
2 major wars, several minor skirmishes

2nd Germany.
Two World wars against, one world war with.

3rd France
Maybe, maybe not. Hard to get to.
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Well I would agree on time line of decades. There has been a back and fourth struggle for control of Eastern Europe, Slavic and Nordic regions since the 1750’s.

The question is, short of nuclear weapons what can Russia realistically implement now in the short term to achieve these historic ambitions?

These are decades long foreign policy and power projection concerns. Not imminent kinetic threats.
 
GBS61 said:
Canada is more afraid of American aggression than Russian aggression; I don't know about Europe.
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FFS then why is Canada STILL HOLDING missile defense drills with the US.
Now do certain political interest in Canada fear the US. I’m sure they do.

But Canada as a whole? What ever
 
Publius said:
And if Canada and Europe were actually so scared of Russian aggression they might play better with their ally who own the nuclear deterrent.

Which they still are
last week NORAD and Canada HELD JOINT missile defense drills. And their is no degradation of data or early warning information sharing.
ukdefencejournal.org.uk

US and Canadian forces practise cruise missile defence

NORAD and US Northern Command are running Exercise Amalgam Dart across North America until 1 September, covering cruise missile defence scenarios and coordination with allied forces in the Arctic.
ukdefencejournal.org.uk ukdefencejournal.org.uk

So much for this…
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Yes, I believe I already retracted that at least 24 hours before you decided to grace us with your presence.
 
Publius said:
FFS then why is Canada STILL HOLDING missile defense drills with the US.
Now do certain political interest in Canada fear the US. I’m sure they do.

But Canada as a whole? What ever
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For military exercises, NORAD still exists, but several training exercises were planned in advance.

Politicians are unanimously at odds with the new state formed in January 2025, even among conservatives.

For the Canadian people:

Recent polls reveal that Canadians hold a massively negative opinion of Donald Trump, with his approval ratings at historically low levels in Canada. Current trade tensions, marked by the failure of bilateral negotiations and the aggressive tariff threats of the Trump administration, have exacerbated this feeling of rejection.

Unfavorable opinion: Approximately 76% to 79% of Canadians express a negative opinion of Donald Trump. His personality is frequently described as "arrogant," "corrupt," or "dangerous." Lack of trust: Nearly 80% of Canadians say they have no confidence in Donald Trump's ability to keep his word on a trade agreement with Canada. Only 20% of respondents have overall confidence in the U.S.'s ability to manage global affairs.

Pleak in the U.S. image: The overall perception of the United States in Canada has plummeted, reaching a historic low of approximately 30% to 33% positive opinions. Canadians are now more likely to view their southern neighbour as an economic challenge or threat rather than a traditional ally.
 
RiffRaff said:
Yes, I believe I already retracted that at least 24 hours before you decided to grace us with your presence.
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So there has been no interruption to missile defense data flow?
So Canada and the US are still working together towards a common mission.
What was the point t of your post.
 
GBS61 said:
For military exercises, NORAD still exists, but several training exercises were planned in advance.

Politicians are unanimously at odds with the new state formed in January 2025, even among conservatives.

For the Canadian people:

Recent polls reveal that Canadians hold a massively negative opinion of Donald Trump, with his approval ratings at historically low levels in Canada. Current trade tensions, marked by the failure of bilateral negotiations and the aggressive tariff threats of the Trump administration, have exacerbated this feeling of rejection.

Unfavorable opinion: Approximately 76% to 79% of Canadians express a negative opinion of Donald Trump. His personality is frequently described as "arrogant," "corrupt," or "dangerous." Lack of trust: Nearly 80% of Canadians say they have no confidence in Donald Trump's ability to keep his word on a trade agreement with Canada. Only 20% of respondents have overall confidence in the U.S.'s ability to manage global affairs.

Pleak in the U.S. image: The overall perception of the United States in Canada has plummeted, reaching a historic low of approximately 30% to 33% positive opinions. Canadians are now more likely to view their southern neighbour as an economic challenge or threat rather than a traditional ally.
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Well with the direction their gov has taken them they should view the US as an economic challenge. Canada exports 65% of their total goods and services to the US.
I know you don’t like it but this is real world shit. Not transient opinion polls.
 
Has anyone even asked themselves what the outrage is over Trumps resurgent Monroe doctrine is all about?

If politicians and vested interests were not acting in shock and awe outrage most of you wouldn’t even be paying attention.

Wow color me shocked that a sovereign nation might negotiate and pontificate (because that is mostly what Trump does publicly). Pontificate is yesterdays trolling btw.

That Europe and much of the west is aghast that this President has the unmerited gall to confront the IRGC and actively cut off their economic sources and destroy their war making capabilities.

The same nation that has sponsored directly proxy terrorist attacks on civilians. Taken and held captives for ransom for years on end.

If that’s who you feel sorry for or want to defend as the aggrieved party here currently.

Not for any rational foreign policy rational. But rather for ideological political interest.

We mewl here about politics being injected into threads. But that is all this thread and most of the objections to Trumps policies have been.
 
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