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This notion that we can actually stop any of these things from happening is wishful thinking.
Pick your side buckle up and hold on and enjoy the ride.
Create what ever world view you need to rationalize it and embrace the suck.
 
Obreid said:
This notion that we can actually stop any of these things from happening is wishful thinking.
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I never said anything could be stopped. Just that when China invades Taiwan they will be cut off. All be it NOT at once, but none the less they will lose the western customer base that pretty much funds their growth and military.

Its hurting Russia pretty bad and Russia doesn't depend on the West as much as China. I can't even imagine how fucked up China will be once the West picks up their business/trade and goes somewhere else...

China is already doing very poor lately weather economical, political, and Covid. It's probably the only reasons as to why they have not attacked Taiwan because China is not in a good place right now.
 
DarkNoon said:
I'm not going to believe he didn't mean it after the third time. No walking it back when it's been said several times in a direct response to the question about defending Taiwan in such a "matter of fact" manner in which it was spoken.

The cat is out of the bag and we should now recognize US likly intends on militarily defending Taiwan given Bidens several "matter of fact" statements about it.
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Oh, he means it. It does kind of surprise me, though. I was expecting Biden to play a little softer with China.
 
DarkNoon said:
I never said anything could be stopped. Just that when China invades Taiwan they will be cut off. All be it not at once, but none the less they will lose the western customer base that pretty much funds their growth and military.

Its hurting Russia pretty bad and Russia doesn't depend on the West as much as China. I can't even imagine how fucked up China will be once the West picks up their business/trade somewhere else...

China is already doing very poor lately weather economical, political, and Covid. It's probably the only reasons as to why they have not attacked Taiwan because China is not in a good place right now.
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That wasn’t directed at you DN specifically.
Just a general observation of all the balls that are up in the air right now.
No one can say with any certainty how it will all coalesce once they hit the ground.
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
Oh, he means it. It does kind of surprise me, though. I was expecting Biden to play a little softer with China.
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One gov official says one thing another says another. Then everyone has a gov source of what policy is to talk about.
It’s just politics. Like a whisper campaign in the kings court l.
 
Dr Arthur said:
Taiwan is an independent nation and China has to accept this. The claim relates to history that is no longer relevant. It is like Rome claiming half of England up to Hadrians Wall becasue it was once part of the Roman Empire.
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Eh? No, Taiwan is not an independent nation and it's not even recognized by ONU or the international community in gerneal. Only a handful minor countries (such as the Vatican for example) recognize Taiwan as a sovreign nation-
The US itself does not recognize Taiwan as an indipendent nation since 1971.
Also, um, the comparison between Taiwan to China and England to Italy is a biiiiit far fetched, if anything for the number of years passed since those times.
If anything a more likely comparison would be Donbass to Ukrinane, that would be more like it, Taiwan is to China what Donbass is to Ukraine.
 
Clangeddin said:
Eh? No, Taiwan is not an independent nation and it's not even recognized by ONU or the international community in gerneal. Only a handful minor countries (such as the Vatican for example) recognize Taiwan as a sovreign nation-
The US itself does not recognize Taiwan as an indipendent nation since 1971.
Also, um, the comparison between Taiwan to China and England to Italy is a biiiiit far fetched, if anything for the number of years passed since those times.
If anything a more likely comparison would be Donbass to Ukrinane, that would be more like it, Taiwan is to China what Donbass is to Ukraine.
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Taiwan may not be recognised as independant but it is essentially an independent democratic country, with its own laws, military, voting system, leaders, education system etc...
Technically Taiwan (or the Republic of China) is the original China, as the PRC only controls the mainland due to a civil war.
en.wikipedia.org

Retreat of the government of the Republic of China to Taiwan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
Dr Arthur said:
Taiwan is an independent nation
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Friendly Engineer said:
Taiwan may not be recognised as independant but it is essentially an independent democratic country
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Absolutely IS a independent republic democracy for more then a half of century.

If China can't get over it the West/US will make sure China won't walk away with a win but rather take heavy losses and gain very little just like Russia with Ukraine.

Since the invasion of Ukraine the US has been very proactive and been supercharging the aid and weapons we send Taiwan. Since last year the flow of Western weapons to Taiwan has ten fold. If China wants Taiwan it has to take losses that will make any invasion a total net loss for them militarily.
 
DarkNoon 🌑 said:
If China can't get over it the West/US will make sure China won't walk away with a win but rather take heavy losses and gain very little just like Russia with Ukraine.
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The Russian illegal senseless invasion of Ukraine is actually a really good test run for the west on how to deal with China when they inevitably invade Taiwan.
 
I think this is a good display of how much support for Taiwan we can expect from the current US administration. If Pelosi stays, not much. If she goes, a fair amount.
 
China isn't gonna do shit, just like always. Unless a large war breaks out in Middle East, maybe then they'll think the US is too stretched to fight (which would likely be wrong).
China making Chinese threats, they never fall through.
 
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