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Russia v. USA Worldviews & Nuclear Security

I didn’t say they were all trolls or any for that matter.
He could just simply be wrong.
It just makes no difference, nothing any of us say or do is going to change the outcome. Just because someone has an opinion does not mean their correct.

The mistake many in the west make is they confuse Putins claims of the grave injustices against Russia as some defense of national freedom and fighting the good fight against globalism.
That is Q-talk and has always been a trope.

What will be your excuse if he succeeds in Ukraine and uses the same tactic in Estonia or Lithuania?
Will this also just be another nation we just hold up our hands 🤷‍♂️ And say “oh well” the risk is just to great or even worse claim he might be justified in doing so.
Estonia and Lithuania are part of NATO. That's entirely different - Putin attacks there, and NATO invokes Article 5.
But here's a completely different angle: what really are our national interests? Putin's already shown the weakness of his army and the horrible state of his troops and military supplies. And they've expended years worth of weapons to do so. This takes the "Putin might do this again" fear completely off the table for the vast majority of countries for the next 5-10 years, with the exception of Moldova. So given that all P has to threaten with are nukes, is it worth trading the safety of American and European lives for a faster resolution in Ukraine and the risk of WW3 rather than seeing if the war can simmer back down to how it was in the summer, with a new set of lines being drawn as the possible starting point for negotiation?

Nobody wants to see Ukraine continue to get pummeled, of course. But what really is the Russian threat to the world after this? Their military is a mess on some many different fronts.
 
Alexander Vindeman: "Stop Tiptoeing Around Russia" criticizing the U.S. Government for "overstating the probability of nuclear war"

Former retired United States Army lieutenant colonel and Director for European Affairs for the United States National Security Council (until February 2020) Alexander Vindeman urges USA to "stop tiptoeing" around Russia and prioritize Ukraine's security over Russia (former USSR) threat to USA. Interesting article - below are some excerpts. Worth reviewing to see both points of view.

[To me, this is another demonstration of the need to have a separate USA Department of Defense from the USA Department of (Foreign) War. The priority of defense of the USA nation should be the main priority of those paid to defend our country, just like those in any other nation.]

Former USA military officer Vindeman writes: "Prioritizing Ukraine will require breaking the long-standing tradition of Russocentrism in trilateral U.S.-Ukrainian-Russian relations."
"President Joe Biden’s administration has come full circle with a risk assessment of Russia’s war in Ukraine that could have been drawn up by the ungroup, one that is more focused on the internal Russian consequences of the conflict than on the consequences for Ukraine itself. The Soviet Union is long gone, but concerns about instability, Russia’s nuclear arsenal, regional conflict, and bilateral confrontation remain. To avoid provoking Moscow, the United States has implicitly acknowledged Russia’s influence in an imagined post-Soviet geopolitical space in Ukraine. It has also often filtered its decisions about Ukraine policy through the prism of Russia, balancing its objectives in Ukraine against its need for Russia’s cooperation on arms control, North Korean and Iranian nuclear proliferation, climate change, the Arctic, and space programs, among other things."

"Misguided hope for a strategic partnership with a reformed Russia—or at the very least, a stable and predictable relationship with Moscow—seemed to outweigh much more achievable U.S. interests and investments in Ukraine in these years. The United States bought into the myth of Russian exceptionalism and deluded itself with distorted visions of the bilateral relationship, largely ignoring the signs of authoritarian consolidation within Russia and failing to heed the warnings from partners in the Baltics and Eastern Europe. Even worse, because of its desire to accommodate Russia, the United States dismissed democratic progress in Ukraine—for instance, in the aftermath of pro-democratic movements in 2004–5 and 2013–14—and undermined prospects for a more fruitful long-term relationship with Kyiv. U.S. policymakers justified this approach on the grounds that drawing Russia in as a responsible member of the international community would enable democratization in the region. Later, when Russia’s lurch toward authoritarianism became undeniable, they justified it on the basis of stability, succumbing to fears of a return to Cold War–era tensions."

"The United States was not necessarily wrong to pursue a mutually beneficial relationship with Russia. Where it erred was in continuing to pursue this objective long after there was no realistic chance of success, which should have been obvious by 2004, when Russia interfered in Ukraine’s elections on behalf of its preferred candidate, or at the very latest by 2008, when Russia invaded Georgia. Instead of looking for more cooperative partners, however, U.S. policymakers continued their futile courtship of Kremlin leadership. As a result, they passed up opportunities to invest in the U.S. relationship with Ukraine, which was always a more promising engine of democratization in the region."

"According to two former senior U.S. officials who worked on Ukraine policy, including one who served in the Biden administration, the senior leadership of the National Security Council has acted as a spiritual successor to the ungroup. NSC officials have sought to limit military support for Ukraine based on a familiar logic—that it might escalate tensions with Moscow and upset remaining hopes of normalizing relations with the Kremlin. Even as Biden, Secretary of State Antony Blinken, and Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin have pledged to give Ukraine all the support it needs to win the war, NSC officials blocked the transfer of Soviet-era jets to Ukraine, declined to provide Ukraine with sufficient long-range air defenses to clear the skies of Russian planes, withheld the quantities of long-range rocket systems and munitions needed to destroy Russian targets within the theater of war, and halted discussion on the transfer of manned and unmanned aircraft required to neutralize Russian long-range attacks on Ukraine’s cities."

"According to former officials, the NSC leadership believes that the war will pose significantly greater risks to the United States and global stability if Ukraine “wins too much.” They wish to avoid the collapse of Putin’s regime for fear of the same threats the ungroup identified three decades ago: nuclear proliferation, loose nukes, and civil war. And they have sought to reduce the likelihood of a bilateral confrontation between the United States and Russia, even at the risk of greatly overstating the probability of conventional and nuclear war. “While a key goal of the United States is to do the needful to support and defend Ukraine, another key goal is to ensure that we do not end up in a circumstance where we’re heading down the road towards a third world war,” said Jake Sullivan, who heads the NSC as Biden’s national security adviser, at the Aspen Security Forum last month. In this excessive concern over how Russia might react to U.S. policies, one can see the shadow of the ungroup."

"Planning for every contingency is a responsible way to manage national security threats, but lowest-probability worst-case scenarios should not dictate U.S. actions. By looking for off-ramps and face-saving measures, the ungroup’s successors are perpetuating indecision at the highest levels of the Biden administration. Time that is wasted worrying about unlikely Russian responses to U.S. actions would be better spent backfilling allies’ weaponry, training Ukrainians on Western capabilities, and expediting more arms transfers to Ukraine."

"To ensure the triumph of democracy in Ukraine, the United States must first change its thinking patterns and learn from decades of mistakes. Recognizing the poisonous Russocentrism of U.S. foreign policy is the first step toward a better approach to U.S.-Ukrainian relations. As Russia’s war effort falters and the prospect of a direct confrontation between the United States and Russia begins to look unthinkable once again, it will be tempting to revert to old ways of thinking and plan for normalized relations with a post-Putin Russia. But such an outcome would once again risk privileging Russia over Ukraine. Even if Putin is deposed or replaced through some other means, the United States should not assume Russia can change for the better; rapprochement must be earned, not given. By freeing itself from its Russocentrism, Washington will also be better able to engage with and listen to its partners in Eastern and northern Europe, which have greater proximity to and more clarity on national security threats from Russia. Their knowledge and expertise will be critical to Ukraine’s victory over Russia, future Ukrainian reconstruction, the prosecution of war crimes, prosperity in Eastern Europe, and eventually, the establishment of thriving democracies across Eurasia."

"Beneath the United States’ misplaced aspirations for a positive relationship with Russia lies immense hubris. Americans tend to believe they can accomplish anything, but perpetually discount the agency of their interlocutors. In truth, the United States never had the influence to unilaterally change Russia’s internal politics. But it did have the ability to nurture a more promising outcome with a more willing partner in Ukraine. Unless the United States fundamentally reorients its foreign policy, away from aspirations and toward outcomes, it will miss an even bigger opportunity to bring about a peaceful, democratic Eastern Europe."

For further context, also note that Alexander Vindeman was born in Kyiv, Ukraine as Александр Семёнович Виндман. While there is no boundaries from foreign born nationals in such positions in the USA NSC regarding specific regional foreign policy, it would be a fair and reasonable consideration to believe that it is also a "Conflict of Interest" (COI). If you were from another country, even though you are now a nationalized citizen in a different county, being in a position to direct foreign policy on your birth country should be a COI. Perhaps impossible to manage, but it would be a fair consideration in any other part of U.S. Government policy, with rigorous policies intended to identity and stop COIs.
 
Their military is a mess on some many different fronts.
In 30 years during the Cold War, I don't remember a single meaningful discussion of how the world was threatened by the USSR's convential army and navy.
All of the discussions did and rightly should have centered on the USSR nuclear threat.
That remains the number one Russia threat - especially to the USA (with a large continguous land mass) and to the world.
 
USA: A Strategy of Nuclear War or A "Strategy of Peace"

June 10, 1963 - USA POTUS John F. Kennedy - Commencement Address at American University, Washington, DC:
"Above all, while defending our own vital interests, nuclear powers must avert those confrontations which bring an adversary to a choice of either a humiliating retreat or a nuclear war."

And this has BEEN the USA policy regarding other nuclear powers for 60 years.
If USA Government wants to reverse this policy, we need representatives of USA Congress (only ones who declare war under USA Constitution) and USA POTUS (who would execute a Congressional War declartion) to explain WHY we are changing this.

It is hard sometimes to believe that USA is still in the same country as the one that was once led by POTUS JFK. Imagine that Americans once lived in such a USA. Our POTUS JFK would be murdered 5 months and 12 days after this speech. (Was it public policy for USA survival over military power that got him murdered?)

But here we are. And Information Operations and "mainstream media" have been beating the drum to reverse a SURVIVAL-based policy with nuclear USSR/Russia (etc.) of 60+ years.

From USA President Kennedy:

"We must, therefore, persevere in the search for peace in the hope that constructive changes within the Communist bloc might bring within reach solutions which now seem beyond us. We must conduct our affairs in such a way that it becomes in the Communists' interest to agree on a genuine peace. Above all, while defending our own vital interests, nuclear powers must avert those confrontations which bring an adversary to a choice of either a humiliating retreat or a nuclear war. To adopt that kind of course in the nuclear age would be evidence only of the bankruptcy of our policy--or of a collective death-wish for the world."

"To secure these ends, America's weapons are nonprovocative, carefully controlled, designed to deter, and capable of selective use. Our military forces are committed to peace and disciplined in self- restraint. Our diplomats are instructed to avoid unnecessary irritants and purely rhetorical hostility."

"For we can seek a relaxation of tension without relaxing our guard. And, for our part, we do not need to use threats to prove that we are resolute. We do not need to jam foreign broadcasts out of fear our faith will be eroded. We are unwilling to impose our system on any unwilling people--but we are willing and able to engage in peaceful competition with any people on earth."

"The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war. We do not want a war. We do not now expect a war. This generation of Americans has already had enough--more than enough--of war and hate and oppression. We shall be prepared if others wish it. We shall be alert to try to stop it. But we shall also do our part to build a world of peace where the weak are safe and the strong are just. We are not helpless before that task or hopeless of its success. Confident and unafraid, we labor on--not toward a strategy of annihilation but toward a strategy of peace."
 

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Notable Remarks by USA POTUS Biden and DoD Secretary Lloyd Austin on Russia and Nuclear War

October 11, 2022: POTUS Biden - U.S. President Joe Biden said he doesn’t think Russian President Vladimir Putin will use nuclear weapons despite repeated threats to do so — even as the Russian leader continues to press on in the war in Ukraine. “I don’t think he will,” Biden said when asked by Tapper whether the Russian leader would use a tactical nuclear weapon – a prospect US officials have watched with concern as Russian troops suffer embarrassing losses on the battlefield. “I think it’s irresponsible for him to talk about it, the idea that a world leader of one of the largest nuclear powers in the world says he may use a tactical nuclear weapon in Ukraine,” Biden added.

October 9, 2022: White House National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby: Biden’s Armageddon comment doesn’t reflect U.S. intel, but stakes of war : "Nor have we seen anything that would give us pause to reconsider our own strategic nuclear posture, in our efforts to defend our own national security interests or those of our allies and partners"

October 6, 2022: POTUS Biden - Biden: Nuclear ‘Armageddon’ risk highest since ‘62 crisis - Speaking at a Democratic fundraiser, Biden said Thursday night that Russian President Vladimir Putin is “a guy I know fairly well” and the Russian leader is “not joking when he talks about the use of tactical nuclear weapons or biological or chemical weapons.” Biden added, “We have not faced the prospect of Armageddon since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis.”

October 2, 2022: U.S. Secretary of Defense Austin: It’s not impossible that Putin could use nuclear weapons - "this nuclear saber-rattling is not the kind of thing we would expect to hear from leaders of large countries with capability"

September 30, 2022 -- U.S. Secretary of Defense Austin: Defense secretary condemns ‘nuclear saber-rattling’ but says he doesn’t believe Putin has decided to use nuclear weapons - “To be clear, the guy who makes that decision, I mean, it’s one man,” Austin said of Russian threats of nuclear weapons in an interview with CNN’s Fareed Zakaria, set to air in full Sunday on “Fareed Zakaria GPS.” “There are no checks on Mr. Putin. Just as he made the irresponsible decision to invade Ukraine, you know, he could make another decision. But I don’t see anything right now that would lead me to believe that he has made such a decision.”

September 29, 2022 -U.S. Secretary of Defense Austin on Russia Nuclear
Q.: I have a question for you sir. Nobody in the West is going to recognize the annexation of Ukrainian regions by Moscow, and the Ukrainians themselves have said they are going to keep fighting to reclaim them. So aren't you concerned that the West is cornering Putin into a nuclear option?
SEC. AUSTIN: "Sylvie, in -- with respect to your question on whether or not we are cornering Putin into employing a nuclear option, I would just say that we and our allies, as I said earlier, Sylvie, we're committed to supporting -- help supporting Ukraine to -- in its efforts to defend its sovereign territory and we'll continue to do that. In terms of the options that Mr. Putin has, one significant option that he's always had, that is to end this conflict today. To withdraw from Ukraine and, you know, that option existed day one, it exists now and -- and so he will always have an option. And I would hope that he would exercise that option here in the near future and bring an end to the needless, you know, devastation that we've seen thus far."

August 5, 2022 - DOD Committed to Reducing Risk of Nuclear War, Says Official - DoD: "The Defense Department would like nothing better than the total elimination of all nuclear weapons worldwide, the undersecretary of defense for policy said."

April 20, 2022 - US defense secretary being regularly briefed on any potential Russian nuclear moves - "The sources stressed, however, it is still unlikely Russian President Vladimir Putin would use any kind of nuclear weapon and one of the sources put the chances of use at around 1%."

March 11, 2022 - POTUS Biden: "We will not fight a war with Russia in Ukraine.... Direct conflict between NATO and Russia is World War III, something we must strive to prevent."
 
Notable Remarks by USA POTUS Biden and DoD Secretary Lloyd Austin on Russia and Nuclear War

October 11, 2022: POTUS Biden - U.S. President Joe Biden said he doesn’t think Russian President Vladimir Putin will use nuclear weapons despite repeated threats to do so — even as the Russian leader continues to press on in the war in Ukraine. “I don’t think he will,” Biden said when asked by Tapper whether the Russian leader would use a tactical nuclear weapon – a prospect US officials have watched with concern as Russian troops suffer embarrassing losses on the battlefield. “I think it’s irresponsible for him to talk about it, the idea that a world leader of one of the largest nuclear powers in the world says he may use a tactical nuclear weapon in Ukraine,” Biden added.

October 9, 2022: White House National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby: Biden’s Armageddon comment doesn’t reflect U.S. intel, but stakes of war : "Nor have we seen anything that would give us pause to reconsider our own strategic nuclear posture, in our efforts to defend our own national security interests or those of our allies and partners"

October 6, 2022: POTUS Biden - Biden: Nuclear ‘Armageddon’ risk highest since ‘62 crisis - Speaking at a Democratic fundraiser, Biden said Thursday night that Russian President Vladimir Putin is “a guy I know fairly well” and the Russian leader is “not joking when he talks about the use of tactical nuclear weapons or biological or chemical weapons.” Biden added, “We have not faced the prospect of Armageddon since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis.”

October 2, 2022: U.S. Secretary of Defense Austin: It’s not impossible that Putin could use nuclear weapons - "this nuclear saber-rattling is not the kind of thing we would expect to hear from leaders of large countries with capability"

September 30, 2022 -- U.S. Secretary of Defense Austin: Defense secretary condemns ‘nuclear saber-rattling’ but says he doesn’t believe Putin has decided to use nuclear weapons - “To be clear, the guy who makes that decision, I mean, it’s one man,” Austin said of Russian threats of nuclear weapons in an interview with CNN’s Fareed Zakaria, set to air in full Sunday on “Fareed Zakaria GPS.” “There are no checks on Mr. Putin. Just as he made the irresponsible decision to invade Ukraine, you know, he could make another decision. But I don’t see anything right now that would lead me to believe that he has made such a decision.”

September 29, 2022 -U.S. Secretary of Defense Austin on Russia Nuclear
Q.: I have a question for you sir. Nobody in the West is going to recognize the annexation of Ukrainian regions by Moscow, and the Ukrainians themselves have said they are going to keep fighting to reclaim them. So aren't you concerned that the West is cornering Putin into a nuclear option?
SEC. AUSTIN: "Sylvie, in -- with respect to your question on whether or not we are cornering Putin into employing a nuclear option, I would just say that we and our allies, as I said earlier, Sylvie, we're committed to supporting -- help supporting Ukraine to -- in its efforts to defend its sovereign territory and we'll continue to do that. In terms of the options that Mr. Putin has, one significant option that he's always had, that is to end this conflict today. To withdraw from Ukraine and, you know, that option existed day one, it exists now and -- and so he will always have an option. And I would hope that he would exercise that option here in the near future and bring an end to the needless, you know, devastation that we've seen thus far."

August 5, 2022 - DOD Committed to Reducing Risk of Nuclear War, Says Official - DoD: "The Defense Department would like nothing better than the total elimination of all nuclear weapons worldwide, the undersecretary of defense for policy said."

April 20, 2022 - US defense secretary being regularly briefed on any potential Russian nuclear moves - "The sources stressed, however, it is still unlikely Russian President Vladimir Putin would use any kind of nuclear weapon and one of the sources put the chances of use at around 1%."

March 11, 2022 - POTUS Biden: "We will not fight a war with Russia in Ukraine.... Direct conflict between NATO and Russia is World War III, something we must strive to prevent."
October 11, 2022: USA POTUS Biden on Russia President Putin: "I don't know what's in his mind. Clearly, he could leave. He could just flat leave, and still probably hold his position together in Russia"
 
CNBC: "Could Russia's War Escalate into Global Warfare?"
CNBC report: "Intensity of these attacks have surprised experts, who expected more"
-- "CNBC Q. Do you think it is a lack of capability on Russia's part? Or do you think that cyber war does not have the impact that traditional warfare has?"
-- Expert: "When you are actually at war, then the complexity, timing, and resources of using cyber war... no special rules apply in cyber... so if Russia is aggressive, they could also do this in cyber space"... "there are technical and scientific limitations" on what can be done
 
USA issues new National Security Strategy- with update on "nuclear deterrence"

"Russia’s conventional military will have been weakened, which will likely increase Moscow’s reliance on nuclear weapons in its military planning. The United States will not allow Russia, or any power, to achieve its objectives through using, or threatening to use, nuclear weapons."

"Nuclear deterrence remains a top priority for the Nation and foundational to integrated deterrence. A safe, secure, and effective nuclear force undergirds our defense priorities by deterring strategic attacks, assuring allies and partners, and allowing us to achieve our objectives if deterrence fails. Our competitors and potential adversaries are investing heavily in new nuclear weapons. By the 2030s, the United States for the first time will need to deter two major nuclear powers, each of whom will field modern and diverse global and regional nuclear forces. To ensure our nuclear deterrent remains responsive to the threats we face, we are modernizing the nuclear Triad, nuclear command, control, and communications, and our nuclear weapons infrastructure, as well as strengthening our extended deterrence commitments to our Allies. We remain equally committed to reducing the risks of nuclear war. This includes taking further steps to reduce the role of nuclear weapons in our strategy anpursuing realistic goals for mutual, verifiable arms control, which contribute to our deterrence strategy and strengthen the global non-proliferation regime"

"Russia and the PRC pose different challenges. Russia poses an immediate threat to the free and open international system, recklessly flouting the basic laws of the international order today, as its brutal war of aggression against Ukraine has shown. The PRC, by contrast, is the only competitor with both the intent to reshape the international order and, increasingly, the economic, diplomatic, military, and technological power to advance that objective." (Page 8)
 
USA issues new National Security Strategy- with update on "nuclear deterrence"

"Russia’s conventional military will have been weakened, which will likely increase Moscow’s reliance on nuclear weapons in its military planning. The United States will not allow Russia, or any power, to achieve its objectives through using, or threatening to use, nuclear weapons."

"Nuclear deterrence remains a top priority for the Nation and foundational to integrated deterrence. A safe, secure, and effective nuclear force undergirds our defense priorities by deterring strategic attacks, assuring allies and partners, and allowing us to achieve our objectives if deterrence fails. Our competitors and potential adversaries are investing heavily in new nuclear weapons. By the 2030s, the United States for the first time will need to deter two major nuclear powers, each of whom will field modern and diverse global and regional nuclear forces. To ensure our nuclear deterrent remains responsive to the threats we face, we are modernizing the nuclear Triad, nuclear command, control, and communications, and our nuclear weapons infrastructure, as well as strengthening our extended deterrence commitments to our Allies. We remain equally committed to reducing the risks of nuclear war. This includes taking further steps to reduce the role of nuclear weapons in our strategy anpursuing realistic goals for mutual, verifiable arms control, which contribute to our deterrence strategy and strengthen the global non-proliferation regime"

"Russia and the PRC pose different challenges. Russia poses an immediate threat to the free and open international system, recklessly flouting the basic laws of the international order today, as its brutal war of aggression against Ukraine has shown. The PRC, by contrast, is the only competitor with both the intent to reshape the international order and, increasingly, the economic, diplomatic, military, and technological power to advance that objective." (Page 8)
Nothing overtly shocking about this.
 
Reuters: Upcoming Russian nuclear exercises a challenge for the West
"Russia typically holds major annual nuclear exercises around this time of year, and U.S. and Western officials expect them perhaps in just days. They will likely include the test launch of ballistic missiles, U.S. officials say."
"But with Putin having openly threatened to use nuclear weapons to defend Russia in its unraveling invasion of Ukraine, some Western officials are worried Moscow could deliberately try to muddy the waters about its intentions. 'This is why you don't want to have extraordinarily overheated rhetoric at the same time you're going to do a nuclear exercise,' a Western official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity."
"At the White House, National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby said Russia's so-called 'Grom' drills would involve large scale maneuvers of its strategic nuclear forces, including live missile launches. He described them as 'routine.' 'While Russia probably believes this exercise will help it project power, particularly in light of recent events, we know that Russian nuclear units train extensively at this time of year,' Kirby said, adding the United States would 'monitor that accordingly.' "

 
More USA White House and "Western" talk on nuclear bombs

October 16, 2022: USA White House National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan:

Regarding any type of "use of a nuclear weapon on the battlefield in Ukraine"
"We believe that it is incumbent on the United States.... to send a message to Russia that they should not contemplate the use of nuclear weapons"

October 14, 2022: USA and "The West" "makes plans to avoid panic if Russia uses nuclear bomb in Ukraine"
Anonymous "Western" official tells Guardian writer Dan Sabbagh that "Governments" are engaged in “prudent planning for a range of possible scenarios.".... "Public information campaigns and even school drills on how to survive a nuclear war were a feature of the cold war, including the duck and cover campaign in the US in the 1950s, Protect and Survive from the UK in the late 1970s and “Everyone has a chance” in West Germany in the early 1960s." Dan Sabbagh writes: "Experts generally believe that Putin is engaged in a bluff, trying to provoke fear and uncertainty in the west, to ensure that the US or Nato does not enter the war on Ukraine’s side."
-- Question: Outside of the USA, has anyone else seen this done in any other country other than the Ukraine and Russia? Any such public nuke preparedness planning in London, Berlin, Paris, Rome, etc.?
USA-Nuke-Preparedness--Nuke-You-Got-This-Narrative.jpg
 
Question: Outside of the USA, has anyone else seen this done in any other country other than the Ukraine and Russia? Any such public nuke preparedness planning in London, Berlin, Paris, Rome, etc.?
Yes. I think Sweden and the UK. But am trying to remember of the top of my head. Someone will correct me in a few hours, I am certain.
 
Everyone speaks to the issue in one form or the other.
The proposition being made is it immoral or reckless to even speak to the issues and significant threats of a nuclear war. That in even doing so it somehow is normalizing and legitimizing their use.
I would still say no only because it is foolish to hide from it. Open and public discussion while sometimes inflammatory also makes it possible to openly and honestly discuss these issues and refute or debate the consequences.
I love the recent popular term “settled science” What scientific field has learned everything there is to learn about any field. If that were the case we wouldn’t need scientist we’d only need technicians.
The same is true in political science and science or war.
All nations and populations have differing views and positions on nuclear war prevention. There is no fixed solution there is only a scrum in the middle of the field waiting to see how it breaks.

 
Everyone speaks to the issue in one form or the other.
The proposition being made is it immoral or reckless to even speak to the issues and significant threats of a nuclear war. That in even doing so it somehow is normalizing and legitimizing their use.
I would still say no only because it is foolish to hide from it. Open and public discussion while sometimes inflammatory also makes it possible to openly and honestly discuss these issues and refute or debate the consequences.

1000% Agree.
There are LOTS of non-military, non-government individuals to have such necessary and unpleasant public discussions.

But during a hot WAR with missiles flying, discussion of nuclear bombs by Russia and USA govt/IC/military individuals (and NATO Sec Gen) takes on a different tone.
They are NOT informing. They ARE threatening.
Objecting to their threats regarding nuclear bombs is not seeking to silence their "freedom of speech," but urging their public to encourage them to find words of restraint during moments of wartime violence that could become global in an instant.

From Russia and USA governments, here are six which need to find a different narrative on nuclear bombs - during WAR.
This is six too many (and I am certain there are others not on this list from Russia/USA govts).
-- Russia President Putin
-- Russia Deputy Chairman of the Security Council Dmitry Medvedev
-- USA POTUS Joe Biden
-- USA Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin
-- USA NSC's John Kirby
-- USA National Security Advisory Jake Sullivan
 
In Russia-USA nuclear debate, voices now claim that Russia's nuclear threat is non-existent, because Russian nuclear bombs likely won't work.

Ryan McBeth claims Russia's nuclear bombs not likely to work, since he and another source believes Russia has not kept them up to date, regarding tritium radioactive sources. In: "Will Russia’s nuclear weapons actually work? #ukraine #ukraineRussiaWar #osint"

Regarding Tritium, "Tritium has a half-life of 12.3 years and decays to 3He with emission of a low-energy beta particle with maximum energy of 19 keV. It is usually considered to be one of the least hazardous radionuclides."

This assumes that combinations of newer Russia nuclear bombs with new and with fresh uranium and optimized alloys, and new chemical explosives to drive the impact, are not part of the Russia-USA nuclear threat matrix. Pretty massive assumption.

This analysis also does not ask in USA warheads with tritium are possibly dated (using avg of 4 to 5 grams). [Remember this is the SAME USG that has been focused on domestic intelligence and ignoring public health care during pandemic.]

Note that nuclear scientists have been addressing this issue of not using tritium in nuclear bombs since last century, in an article stating then that "US has not produced tritium since 1988." The 1999 article also talks about the need for Russia to replace their nuclear warheads due to tritium decline. The assumption that Mr. McBeth makes is that this never happened, due to Russia's economy.
 
1000% Agree.
There are LOTS of non-military, non-government individuals to have such necessary and unpleasant public discussions.

But during a hot WAR with missiles flying, discussion of nuclear bombs by Russia and USA govt/IC/military individuals (and NATO Sec Gen) takes on a different tone.
They are NOT informing. They ARE threatening.
Objecting to their threats regarding nuclear bombs is not seeking to silence their "freedom of speech," but urging their public to encourage them to find words of restraint during moments of wartime violence that could become global in an instant.

From Russia and USA governments, here are six which need to find a different narrative on nuclear bombs - during WAR.
This is six too many (and I am certain there are others not on this list from Russia/USA govts).
-- Russia President Putin
-- Russia Deputy Chairman of the Security Council Dmitry Medvedev
-- USA POTUS Joe Biden
-- USA Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin
-- USA NSC's John Kirby
-- USA National Security Advisory Jake Sullivan
Maybe your right but that is not the world we live in.
You know I supported President Trump and still do. I’d vote for someone I believe would get the things done that I support. If he’s nominated again I’ll support him again. I won’t support another rino.
Just imagine the panic attacks and media heart attacks we’d be having if we were facing this with him in office.

It would be reagan all over again only on steroids.

As an outlaw Republican you might say I find myself in a small minority because I do support aiding Ukraine as much as we can. There was a lot of public grief about Trump and Ukraine. As Ive pointed out before he was the first president who actually delivered military weapons to Ukraine. It had been promised and voted on. He sent the first javelins and stingers. Obama fought sending lethal aid his whole second term. It was Biden who cut funding to Ukraine by almost a 1/3 and suspended lethal aid for about 8 months in 2021 while we all watched Russia move troops and equipment to the boarder.
I personally believe Russia would not have invaded if Trump was still in office.
That’s just my opinion and I have some reasons for it but it’s just an opinion.
It’s water under the bridge now anyway.

That all said I am friends with a lot of trump supporters and we have debated my support quite a bit. Thankfully we’re all still friends we just agree to disagree on this issue😏
It’s a scrum like I said. We really have no certainties and there are very few rules
 
Maybe your right but that is not the world we live in.
You know I supported President Trump and still do. I’d vote for someone I believe would get the things done that I support. If he’s nominated again I’ll support him again. I won’t support another rino.
Just imagine the panic attacks and media heart attacks we’d be having if we were facing this with him in office.
I understand and respect your POV.
Non-partisan Independent here - if we were this close to open war with Russia and it was POTUS Trump and his administration (not POTUS Biden and his administration) were treating Russia like North Korea, I would have the same concerns exactly. I felt concerned about Trump's approach with North Korea at one point, but he managed to bluster his way to get to the peace table with lunatic (statement of fact) NK Kim Jong Un, and the nuclear rhetoric died down. Trump got lucky in reading Kim Jong Un. But that approach won't work with Russia's Putin, and not during a hot war.

As you write, imagine "the panic attacks and media heart attacks" if: POTUS Trump, DOD Secretary Chris Miller, NSC Robert C. O’Brien, National Security Adviser Matthew Pottinger, were all in the media and at press conferences, talking about nuclear bombs with Russia (not pithy North Korea), Trump talking about the risk of another Armageddon, etc.

The narratives we hear today that "Russia is no big deal, Russia's nukes won't work, Russia is all bluff," would not be the predominant security narrative, would it? It would be (and all of us honestly know this to be true): "that lunatic Trump is trying to drag our country to nuclear war! We need the 25th amendment to remove him from office before he gets us all killed!" Am I wrong?

So seeing that USA narrative could be very different without a political partisan filter, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

But this talk of nuclear bombs in Russia and USA governments needs restraint .... unless of course they are actually mad enough to use them.
 
In Russia-USA nuclear debate, voices now claim that Russia's nuclear threat is non-existent, because Russian nuclear bombs likely won't work.

Ryan McBeth claims Russia's nuclear bombs not likely to work, since he and another source believes Russia has not kept them up to date, regarding tritium radioactive sources. In: "Will Russia’s nuclear weapons actually work? #ukraine #ukraineRussiaWar #osint"

Regarding Tritium, "Tritium has a half-life of 12.3 years and decays to 3He with emission of a low-energy beta particle with maximum energy of 19 keV. It is usually considered to be one of the least hazardous radionuclides."

This assumes that combinations of newer Russia nuclear bombs with new and with fresh uranium and optimized alloys, and new chemical explosives to drive the impact, are not part of the Russia-USA nuclear threat matrix. Pretty massive assumption.

This analysis also does not ask in USA warheads with tritium are possibly dated (using avg of 4 to 5 grams). [Remember this is the SAME USG that has been focused on domestic intelligence and ignoring public health care during pandemic.]

Note that nuclear scientists have been addressing this issue of not using tritium in nuclear bombs since last century, in an article stating then that "US has not produced tritium since 1988." The 1999 article also talks about the need for Russia to replace their nuclear warheads due to tritium decline. The assumption that Mr. McBeth makes is that this never happened, due to Russia's economy.
Wouldn’t they still be fission bombs?
My understanding is that Russians could experience as high as a 40% fizzle rate due to deferred maintenance, especially tritium renewal and electronics proving.
Thats still a boat load of hurt!
 
Wouldn’t they still be a fission bomb?
My understanding is that Russians could experience as high as a 40% fizzle rate due to deferred maintenance, especially tritium renewal and electronics proving.
Thats still a boat load of hurt!
True, but after watching how poorly maintained Russian equipment appears to be, how powerful the explosion may or may not be, might not be the issue. Once they’re launched, who the hell knows where they’ll land, no matter what they’re intended target was. So the yield for where they land may have a more devastating effect.
 
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True, but after watching how poorly maintained Russian equipment appears to be, how powerful the explosion may or may not be, might not be the issue. Once they’re launched, who the hell knows where they’ll land, no matter what they’re intended target was. So the yield for where they land may have a more devastating effect.
Damn good point!!!
 
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