The Cultural-Religious Dilemma Of Stoning People To Death.

[alphaecho]

Now imagine all the women are killed. You would feel bad whilst at the same time realise population growth would dramatically decline and obviously for some here that may well just be a bonus in their minds. Why waste western lives when they can deplete their own .

Cruel, but true

 

[Irag8er]

I changed the title of the thread to accurately portray is content.

And please be aware you are walking a very thin line between this and this

 

[Publius]

The Germans were not fought to protect jews. It was fought to stop Germans from taking over all of Europe. Fighting Germany was a strategic move for the western powers to protect their own interests.

Had the Germans remained in their country and perpetrated the final solution no one would have cared to stopped them.

On the surface that’s correct. But it is also fair to say that as knowledge of the concentration camps became more widespread. That demands for Germany to stop would have percolated to the top, especially in the west.
Or Is this a defense to the Holodomor or the Uyghurs

Then Britian and abolitionist world wide were out of line for working to stop the transatlantic slave trade or Is that it then?

What if the dominant culture and government in Brazil chooses to reinstitute a legal domestic slave economy. Is that no ones business as well.

Ideas and foundations of cultures compete, and they are shared Amongst other cultures.

The Taliban are going to do what their going to do. And I am free to assign my own value judgement on their cultural practices. To argue and support why I find it repulsive.

Simply arguing one can not make value judgments on another’s culture is just kicking the can down the road.
The cultural question is already in the cultural marketplace of the international community. The value of either culture is never static globally. Just as it is not static nationally or even regionally.

Does this encourage or validate one nation in deciding to wage war to force another to change their culture.

No, and yes sometimes.
We all know that human interaction and behaviors are rarely static paradigms.
Thus I would argue the one cannot impose your own cultural values onto another culture is an overly simplistic argument.

 

[Friendly Engineer]

In my opinion, based on my morals, stoning is completely unjustified no matter the crime or perceived slight.

 

[Dr Arthur]

Look it is unfortunate but look at it this way. These women have choices. Die trying to leave ,die staying and taking risks, or follow, believe or accept. America spent 2 decades for what? Achieving? Please people 2 super powers have entered Afghanistan for different reasons. 1 tried for a decade than another tries for 2 decades. Both packed and left.
Lessons learned i hope so.
Definition of crazy lets not .

Proved that is a nation not worth saving so why not take another take. Encourage them to consider all women having sex should be stoned and the problem will be solved in the long term like the Victorian era religion that believed it was god like not to have sex. They eventually bred themselves into oblivion. Maybe the same approach could be encouraged.

For all those getting enraged please realise this is completely cynical. There is no justification for stoning and their claim they are acting on behalf of a creative god is just a twisted perversion.

 

[DEFCON Warning System]

In my opinion, based on my morals, stoning is completely unjustified no matter the crime or perceived slight.

Hilter. Killed millions of people. You don't think he is worthy of a good rock throwing?

 

[NuclearID]

Hilter. Killed millions of people. You don't think he is worthy of a good rock throwing?

Stoning one to death is a primitive, savage, uncivilized way of killing someone for a crime.

But woman in Muslim countries (which is how this convo got started) who get stoned to death are overwhelmingly innocent. Guilty of only being a woman. Barbaric.

 

[Friendly Engineer]

Hilter. Killed millions of people. You don't think he is worthy of a good rock throwing?

Not even Hitler. I wouldn't even advocate for the death penalty. I think the worst punishment is throwing him in a cell for the rest of his days, like they did with Rudolf Hess.

 

[alphaecho]

I consider that there is a need to discuss these aspects separately.
1.- Punishment-crime relationship
2.- The treatment of women by radical Muslims.

I consider that the discussion is about the second aspect, in any case it is well known how radical Muslims interpret their religious beliefs with respect to women, there have even been documented cases in Europe where Muslim immigrants force women, whether they are immigrants or Europeans, to get up. to sit them.

 

[Publius]

Proved that is a nation not worth saving so why not take another take. Encourage them to consider all women having sex should be stoned and the problem will be solved in the long term like the Victorian era religion that believed it was god like not to have sex. They eventually bred themselves into oblivion. Maybe the same approach could be encouraged.

For all those getting enraged please realise this is completely cynical. There is no justification for stoning and their claim they are acting on behalf of a creative god is just a twisted perversion.

Proved that is a nation not worth saving so why not take another take. Encourage them to consider all women having sex should be stoned and the problem will be solved in the long term like the Victorian era religion that believed it was god like not to have sex. They eventually bred themselves into oblivion. Maybe the same approach could be encouraged.

For all those getting enraged please realise this is completely cynical. There is no justification for stoning and their claim they are acting on behalf of a creative god is just a twisted perversion.

We might as well not get in a hurry trying to convince a culture to stop stoning women. While it still holds to the belief that women are for babies and boys are for pleasure.
Or others that practice FGM simply for the purpose of removing the woman’s main sexual stimulation appendage. Presumably to discourage enjoyment and thus infidelity.
At this point in human history we simply do not speak the same language.

 

[Torch]

At this point in human history we simply do not speak the same language.

Hell we don’t even think and process information the same way. They are stuck in the 13th century and want to stay there.

 

[NCDinosFan]

Hell we don’t even think and process information the same way. They are stuck in the 13th century and want to stay there.

That statement is ethnocentrist. Learn why the culture is like that instead of why that culture is bad compared to our own.

I can say American work culture is garbage compared to Asian (how much people are willing to work), but I can also say Asian work culture is overworked and garbage compared to American relax culture. I can say american work culture is toxic compared to Nordic work standards, because nordic work standards are like America Compared to Asia... It's just a lot more lenient.


The question is why is it like that, not why it's bad.

 

[Deleted account]

Hell we don’t even think and process information the same way. They are stuck in the 13th century and want to stay there.

I wouldn't be quite so smug. It doesn't take much to convince cultured societies - which we all undoubtedly consider ourselves part of - to scrape off this thin veneer of civilization and begin stoning people to death. Or herding some hapless minority into gas chambers.

Consider Wilhelmine Germany - it was, after all, an exemplar of refined, educated culture. Until it suddenly wasn't.

 

[Yingyang]

That statement is ethnocentrist. Learn why the culture is like that instead of why that culture is bad compared to our own.

I can say American work culture is garbage compared to Asian (how much people are willing to work), but I can also say Asian work culture is overworked and garbage compared to American relax culture. I can say american work culture is toxic compared to Nordic work standards, because nordic work standards are like America Compared to Asia... It's just a lot more lenient.


The question is why is it like that, not why it's bad.

Individuality. Is what makes us all different even from most cultures and or countries. Even here you can see matching thought processes, results of education, bias opinions etc.
Some people only believe what they are told without further investigation or opposing opinions ,unbias sources, study with the ability to try or want to understand why, how or what. There is always a minimum 2 sides to most things. Unfortunately 1 in some cases the 1st to present itself is sometimes the 1 that is gospel to some. Should something else be presented afterwards especially if the original info has been around for a period of time, it seems harder to accept another outlook. Understandable yes.
Unfortunate yes.
Acceptable well that comes back to my first word-comment , and the answer is extremely complicated-complex. But good and bad individuals are exactly what makes us humans. Just different types. Acceptance of others can always be challenging. But in reality we are and should be different from each other and in saying that other countries and religions and cultures should exist without intervention and interference. History is the source. Understanding it isn't the hardest part. Power,greed,control etc . Got us where we are today. No better really in the ability to learn from the past as far as the direction humanity has taken. Sad to say that direction should make us dizzy. And that is why the saying matches. We are only human.

 

[Torch]

I wouldn't be quite so smug. It doesn't take much to convince cultured societies - which we all undoubtedly consider ourselves part of - to scrape off this thin veneer of civilization and begin stoning people to death. Or herding some hapless minority into gas chambers.

Consider Wilhelmine Germany - it was, after all, an exemplar of refined, educated culture. Until it suddenly wasn't.

There was zero smugness in my statement. It was a Learned Opinion, based on first hand observation. There was no judgement either, simply a statement of the facts as I discern them.

BTW tying in the killing of Jews by the millions to my simple observation of behavior in insulting. I find it in poor taste in extremis.

YMMV

 

[Deleted account]

There was zero smugness in my statement. It was a Learned Opinion, based on first hand observation. There was no judgement either, simply a statement of the facts as I discern them.

You contradict yourself. It cannot be both a "Learned Opinion" (what's with the weird capitalization?) and a "statement of the facts". Can't have it both ways.
Facts are facts and opinions are opinions.

Personally, I would be inclined to regard your statement more as an opinion. And smugness is in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps you didn't mean it that way, but it does seem smug to me.

BTW tying in the killing of Jews by the millions to my simple observation of behavior in insulting. I find it in poor taste in extremis.

Why, though? I was merely providing an example of how a culture that considers itself vastly superior to the primitive savages (who "do not process information the same way" and are "stuck in the 13th century") can actually be just as savage, if not moreso. If you find that insulting, well, sorry, but feeling offended doesn't make one right.

 

[Torch]

You contradict yourself. It cannot be both a "Learned Opinion" (what's with the weird capitalization?) and a "statement of the facts". Can't have it both ways.
Facts are facts and opinions are opinions.

Personally, I would be inclined to regard your statement more as an opinion. And smugness is in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps you didn't mean it that way, but it does seem smug to me.

Why, though? I was merely providing an example of how a culture that considers itself vastly superior to the primitive savages (who "do not process information the same way" and are "stuck in the 13th century") can actually be just as savage, if not moreso. If you find that insulting, well, sorry, but feeling offended doesn't make one right.

Werid capitalization is probably me fighting with the autocorrect and vox on my iPhone. Phone typing and cataracts make this a dicey proposition. Any punctuation errors are unintentional and completely my fault. Sorry.

 

[Publius]

There was zero smugness in my statement. It was a Learned Opinion, based on first hand observation. There was no judgement either, simply a statement of the facts as I discern them.

BTW tying in the killing of Jews by the millions to my simple observation of behavior in insulting. I find it in poor taste in extremis.

YMMV

“Bad form my good man, bad form”

 

[Torch]

That statement is ethnocentrist. Learn why the culture is like that instead of why that culture is bad compared to our own

(Further down, same post)

The question is why is it like that, not why it's bad.

At NO POINT did I say bad or any english equivalent.

Hell we don’t even think and process information the same way. They are stuck in the 13th century and want to stay there.

Again: At NO POINT did I say bad or any english equivalent.