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Totality 🌻 said:
No? Humans have always been like this. It's not Satan or demons making people do bad things. Just bad people doing bad things. 🙄
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I disagree, I think satan and his minions are highly influential on this earth. After all, what makes bad people? I believe it is the influence of evil.
 
william said:
After all, what makes bad people?
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Of course... So instead of accepting the fact that someones upbringing, life choices, and freinds they associate themselves with are to blame. You put blame on a mystical thing.

Bad people became bad because of 3 things normally.
1.) How/where they were raised.
2.) There life choices.
3.) Who they associate themselves with.

It's not demons. 🙄 Don't use mythical creatures as a excuse for poor human behavior. It is factually explained otherwise and every respected scientific body or psychologist on the planet would say so as well.
 
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Totality 🌻 said:
Of course... So instead of accepting the fact that someones upbringing, life choices, and freinds they associate themselves with are to blame. You put blame on a mystical thing.

Bad people became bad because of 3 things normally.
1.) How/where they were raised.
2.) There life choices.
3.) Who they associate themselves with.

It's not demons. 🙄 Don't use mythical creatures as a excuse for poor human behavior. It is factually explained otherwise and every respected scientific body or psychologist on the planet would say so as well.
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Sure, that all has baring on the making of a bad person, but so does the evil one. I'm sure there are plenty of people who have had bad life choices, been raised in horrific conditions, and have associated with evil that have been saved and turned to the light. I am also sure that there are respected scientists and psychologists that are Christians. Would you like me to give you examples?
 
All those who believed in God are dead. Take away, were all fucked in the end, enjoy your meat suit while you can.
 
Socom7 said:
"Had"? And Russians killing Ukrainians is what...?

People kill other people because they desire their land, cows or women; usually all three. God is what they invented so they could feel good about it. In this respect Christianity is no different from any other faith. 🤷‍♂️ As a certain philosopher says - "The more I study religion, the more I feel convinced that since the dawn of time Man has only ever worshipped himself."
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The Russia/Ukraine war is not motivated by theology. I was referring more to Catholics versus Protestants in Great Britain.
 
william said:
So, you don't think satan and his demons are actively involved in these authoritarian aggressions?
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I believe in the divine council world view, so IMO yes, there are powers and principalities as Paul speaks of, who influence kings and kingdoms of this world. See Dr. Michael Heiser (RIP) and his teachings on the divine council world view.

The book of Daniel also speaks of this, when the angel Gabriel told Daniel that he was delayed in reaching him (Daniel 10) due to the prince of Persia resisting Gabriel.
 
william said:
I disagree, I think satan and his minions are highly influential on this earth. After all, what makes bad people? I believe it is the influence of evil.
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Well then God either isn't all powerful or isn't all good. He with can't stop it, or he won't stop it
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
Sure you can. When you eat the cake, you still have it.

That saying never made sense to me.
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It makes perfect sense. You just don't like it because it's true and therfore try to discredit the entirly correct criticism.

"The proverb literally means "you cannot simultaneously retain possession of a cake and eat it, too". Once the cake is eaten, it is gone.

It can be used to say that one cannot have two incompatible things.

You can't have your cake and eat it - Wikipedia

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Totality 🌻 said:
It makes perfect an entire sense. You just don't like it because it's true and therfore try to discredit the entirly correct criticism.

"The proverb literally means "you cannot simultaneously retain possession of a cake and eat it, too". Once the cake is eaten, it is gone.

It can be used to say that one cannot have two incompatible things.

You can't have your cake and eat it - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org
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Another way of looking at is is that once the cake is eaten, its location moves from your hand to your stomach. Technically you still have it. Thus, you can have your cake and eat it to so long as you do not mind the new storage location. :)
 
teekay99 said:
Another way of looking at is is that once the cake is eaten, its location moves from your hand to your stomach. Technically you still have it. Thus, you can have your cake and eat it to so long as you do not mind the new storage location. :)
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Divine Providence / Ultimate Reality bestowed us with this great realm and gifted us with free will. With free will comes the ability to make bad decisions. And from bad decisions comes the screwing up of our realm. On the positive note, because we have free will, we can choose to make good decisions and un-screwup (is that a word?) our realm. He gives us guidance on how to do that should we choose to see or hear it.
 
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