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Imagine what the US would have done if a hostile state killed 20-odd thousand American soldiers with weapons supplied by Russia.
Exactly. I try to imagine the enemies' thinking to better prepare for security - not just those in power - but also the people that allow them to be in power. In terms of that thinking, I actually see the relative "restraint" on this as a bad thing for world security, a "good" thing temporarily for USA securiy. But to use your point, imagine the hostility and pressure that must be developing - not only against Putin, but also against USA - as a result. 20,000 Russian Federation families with a specific death with against USA is also a bad thing for USA national national security. I understand the Department of War views the Russian invasion of Ukraine as an opportunity, but it is a serious security threat to world and especially, USA. USA is best served by trying to find a way to discourage war and encourage peace. USA was ready to go to war with USSR over Communist Cuba, which had nothing to do with the Soviet Bloc per se.
 
USA was ready to go to war with USSR over Communist Cuba, which had nothing to do with the Soviet Bloc per se.
Communist Cuba was assembling short range Soviet nuclear missiles aimed at the US. If thats not a reason to go to war I am unable to conjure up a better one.
 
Communist Cuba was assembling short range Soviet nuclear missiles aimed at the US. If thats not a reason to go to war I am unable to conjure up a better one.
Exactly right. You have to be willing to defend yourself or become a victim. Is essentially the required response to a bully. USA today seems to have forgotten this and have become apologetic. "Sorry we upset you so much that you felt you needed to..." In some ways we need parts of the USA of the 1960's to return.
 
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The fact that Putin doesn't give a rat's ass about the Russian people may be the reason this war hasn't yet escalated beyond Ukraine. Imagine what the US would have done if a hostile state killed 20-odd thousand American soldiers with weapons supplied by Russia.

In fact, OSINT shows most of these casualties are from the piss-poor provincial oblasts. This is also deliberate. If Putin does really "care" about any Russians, it's really only about the residents of Moscow and several other large cities; the rest is just cannon fodder.

Remember those Russian bounties for dead U.S. troops?....​

 
No, no they are not. Please be my guest and compare the data to EU. Not even close. Inflation may be a problem but western economies are not in free fall like Russia. Not even by a long shot.


No, we are not. Duly noted. I will remember this, when I will have to spend 100 € instead then 50 € to fill up the car. The last energy bill was +87% compared to the previous one, and it is arrived before the gas cut from Russia. When the next bill will arrive, I must remember to think at the DarkNoon words and smile, because all is going well. After all, it's only a little inflaction. It's not a problem to have economies that need gas and oil, without having gas and oil.
 
The fact that Putin doesn't give a rat's ass about the Russian people may be the reason this war hasn't yet escalated beyond Ukraine. Imagine what the US would have done if a hostile state killed 20-odd thousand American soldiers with weapons supplied by Russia.

In fact, OSINT shows most of these casualties are from the piss-poor provincial oblasts. This is also deliberate. If Putin does really "care" about any Russians, it's really only about the residents of Moscow and several other large cities; the rest is just cannon fodder.

In particular:
"Imagine what the US would have done if a hostile state killed 20-odd thousand American soldiers with weapons supplied by Russia."... there is no need to "imagine": Vietnam matches 100%. At that time, US people, wiser than today (as us, indeed) protested, but the war went on and the gouvernement didn't give a shit about that, so very young Americans, at the average age of 19(!) and most of them poors (because the students were exonerated) died.
I find these reasonement very useless. Here the discussion would have be on WHAT is, mainly in geopolitical and military terms, not about "what is right and what is wrong. If the discussion revolves on moral and ethical discussion, for any Russian bad behaviour, we can find al least 10 US egual bad behaviour... and just because this a confrontation betweens NATO (as to say US) and Russia, becuse potentially the same reasonement would be true for a loto of Countries in the world: France, UK, China, Japan, etc.
 
No, no they are not. Please be my guest and compare the data to EU. Not even close. Inflation may be a problem but western economies are not in free fall like Russia. Not even by a long shot.


"No, no we are not" [cit]
 

No, we are not. Duly noted. I will remember this, when I will have to spend 100 € instead then 50 € to fill up the car. The last energy bill was +87% compared to the previous one, and it is arrived before the gas cut from Russia. When the next bill will arrive, I must remember to think at the DarkNoon words and smile, because all is going well. After all, it's only a little inflaction. It's not a problem to have economies that need gas and oil, without having gas and oil.
Inflation is bad. But at least we are ONLY having inflation problems. The West can handle inflation not the first time may I add either.

But you have not compared the data. ALL sectors in Russia are crashing that are definitely not in the West. Such as:
1.) Industrial producers plummeting for all products from cars, wash machines, elevators, and much more in Russia.
  • Cars: -96.7%
  • Trucks: -39.3%
  • ICE motors: -57%
  • Pass. train wagons: -59.8%
  • Freight wagons: -51.8%
  • Fiberglass cables: -80.8%
  • Fridges: -58.1%
  • Washing machines: -59.2%
  • AC electric motors: -49.9%
  • Elevators: -34.7%
  • Excavators: -60%
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2.) Consumer faith destroyed in Russia.
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3.) Retail sale turn over down.
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4.) Retirement plans in Russia crashed to the floor as well.
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5.) Major decline in population as people flee Russia because it sucks to live their.
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ALL I keep hearing from you is crying about inflation. But America or the West isn't even slightly hurting as bad as Russia. These are the facts, the facts the Russian government itself has provided.
 
1.) Industrial producers plummeting for all products from cars, wash machines, elevators, and much more in Russia.
  • Cars: -96.7%
  • Trucks: -39.3%
  • ICE motors: -57%
  • Pass. train wagons: -59.8%
  • Freight wagons: -51.8%
  • Fiberglass cables: -80.8%
  • Fridges: -58.1%
  • Washing machines: -59.2%
  • AC electric motors: -49.9%
  • Elevators: -34.7%
  • Excavators: -60%
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2.) Consumer faith destroyed in Russia.
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3.) Retail sale turn over down.
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4.) Retirement plans in Russia crashed to the floor as well.
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5.) Major decline in population as people flee Russia because it sucks to live their.
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Last I check this isn't happening in the West. Consumer spending is up, factory production is up, retirement plans are up, population growing steady. BUT NOT FOR RUSSIA. The facts/data provided by the Russian government itself shows the West is doing pretty great compared to Russian economy.

ARE YOU THAT NARROW MINDED THAT THE ENTIRE ECONOMY TO YOU IS JUST ABOUT INFLATION??? HOW YOU ARE DOING ECONOMICALLY AS A NATION IS A LOT MORE THEN JUST INFLATION. 😭😂

Next time saying someone's wrong without providing sources or facts I'm deleting it. That goes for everyone. The discussion thread has become nothing more then a hot air factory.

The West is doing a cake walk compared to Russia economically in almost every sense of the word. Prices are high sure, but the western economy isn't in a free fall like Russia across the board is suffering.
 
Last I check this isn't happening in the West. Consumer spending is up, factory production is up, retirement plans are up, population growing steady. BUT NOT FOR RUSSIA. The facts/data provided by the Russian government itself shows the West is doing pretty great compared to Russian economy.

ARE YOU THAT NARROW MINDED THAT THE ENTIRE ECONOMY TO YOU IS JUST ABOUT INFLATION??? HOW YOU ARE DOING ECONOMICALLY AS A NATION IS A LOT MORE THEN JUST INFLATION. 😭😂

Next time saying someone's wrong without providing sources or facts I'm deleting it. That goes for everyone. The discussion thread has become nothing more then a hot air factory.

The West is doing a cake walk compared to Russia economically in almost every sense of the word. Prices are high sure, but the western economy isn't in a free fall like Russia across the board is suffering.

Let's say something very clear: the analyst here is you, not me. "me" is the "user". And THIS discussion, is named "discussion". So, I don't have to put graphics, statistics and so on, each time I want to say something. However, this doesn't mean that I don't post anything at all about data and, in fact, I did that: I posted data from an Italian newspaper and an article from "Sole 24 ore", the major Italian newspaper about economy. And you have completely neglected that. It's in Italian? What I have to say? In Italy, data is Italian language. If you want to traduce it, you are free to do that. Your angry reaction is really inopportune, because, first: I don't say that sanctions doesn't hurt Russia, but they hurt a lot us, in Europe, and in Italy: this is a fucking fact, and I posted the mentioned data about that. Furthermore, I Iive here, and I know the situation here. Second: you think I'm pro Kremlin? It's not true: you don't have enough reasonableness to undestand that reasons and wrongs arent' all in one part. But even if it were true, then? "Most of "us" know that" and someone not.
 
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