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DarkNoon

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Those who believe a ceasefire is not worth it for tactical reasons continue to lose sight of the strategic issues that these are fellow human beings who are suffering.
Then Russia needs to stop it's pointless illegal war of agression against a entire peoples where Russias only goal is to destroy the identity of a entire peoples.

Ukraine will not and should not give Russia a single F'ing second of peace or time to recoup. Beat them down until they leave!

Want to be mad or point blame for all the human suffer is only and entirely on Putin & the Russian government. NO ONE else.
 

StevenEven

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Then Russia needs to stop it's pointless illegal war of agression against a entire peoples where Russias only goal is to destroy the identity of a entire peoples.

Ukraine will not and should not give Russia a single F'ing second of peace or time to recoup. Beat them down until they leave!

Want to be mad or point blame for all the human suffer is only and entirely on Putin & the Russian government. NO ONE else.
Preach it brother!
 

DarkNoon

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People actually suffer from war, not just from direct hostilities.
I know it's disgraceful, shameful, horrifying, and just outright egregious that Putin and the Russian government continue their unjust and pointless war against an entire people.

Where their only goal is to destroy the identity of an entire nation, consume them under their tyrannical leadership, and plunder all of ukraines resources for their own selfish gains and needs...

But somehow Ukraine's supposed to take the high road or make peace or negotiate? No they can't, as Russia doesn't want any kind of peace, this entirely falls on the Russian government or Putin. No one else.
 

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DarkNoon

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This is not factual. The decay of metal to the levels of "poisoning" the ground take decades not days.
They didn't say in days. They said it would take decades if not a century. The title even says a "100 years"...
 

REALHumanRights

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I know it's disgraceful, shameful, horrifying, and just outright egregious that Putin and the Russian government continue their unjust and pointless war against an entire people.
The refusal to attempt to negotiate while the Ukraine people continue to suffer from the cruel Russian invasion - simply ignores their suffering. In a week, it will be 6 months of fighting? And of course, there is no credible information on the death toll of Ukrainian people from this terrible war. After 6 months of continuous war on this civilian population, surely they deserve some effort by the Ukraine government to campaign for at least a short-term ceasefire, or at least resettle homeless victims in the western Ukraine. There seems to be so little concern for the welfare of these victims.
 

REALHumanRights

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Ukraine will not and should not give Russia a single F'ing second of peace or time to recoup. Beat them down until they leave!
These suffering civilians are not sitting in military tanks with military provisions and USA-provided weapons. There are untold thousands of homeless refugees desperately wandering the streets looking for a place to survive. The military tactics are not effective if the public believes you will be abandoned by your own nation's "defense" to fend for yourself. Whether this is in Ukraine - or any other nation.
 

DarkNoon

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I never understood why people will cry about human rights then expect Ukraine to do something about it when it's not Ukraine fault, nor can Ukraine do anything about it.
It's like telling the Jewish people durring WWII to stop committing genocide instead of telling Hitler...🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Ukraine can't do anything about it. Only Russia can stop this pointless war by getting out of where it does not belong period.
 

REALHumanRights

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Russia doesn't want one. Even if Russia was willing to make peace Ukraine shouldn't let Russia have a single second to even blink or breath.
That is a Western view that is not facing imminent bombing of their home, their family's home, and their family fleeing for their lives with what little they can carry as homeless refugees. The only people who don't have a "single second to even blink or breath" are the Ukrainian refugees. I expect there will ultimately be blowback on this to the Western tactician view. Of course, the Russian soldiers could be withdrawn at any time, which is what negotiations should seek. In the interim, Ukraine people need that "single second to breathe."
 

REALHumanRights

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It's like telling the Jewish people durring WWII to stop committing genocide instead of telling Hitler...🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Ukraine can't do anything about it. Only Russia can stop this pointless war by getting out of where it does not belong period.
The analogy is not only false, it also does not respect the suffering of Jewish refugees during WWII.
Ukraine is not a Nazi concentration camp.
When we need to start bring Hitler analogies into the debate, clearly the point is no longer a discussion.
I would suggest when we post laughing faces in the same sentence as Hitler, perhaps it is time to revisit.
 

DarkNoon

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Twisting things all up wrong. Ukraine isn't at fault here, nor can they do anything about it, as its entirely up to Russia if it wants to end their war of pointless aggregation. Sorry you can't see it that way. Should be pretty clear Russia started it so it's on Russia to end it and not Ukraine. Period.
 

DEFCON Warning System

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That is a Western view that is not facing imminent bombing of their home, their family's home, and their family fleeing for their lives with what little they can carry as homeless refugees. The only people who don't have a "single second to even blink or breath" are the Ukrainian refugees. I expect there will ultimately be blowback on this to the Western tactician view. Of course, the Russian soldiers could be withdrawn at any time, which is what negotiations should seek. In the interim, Ukraine people need that "single second to breathe."
Ukraine has asked for ceasefires to evacuate civilians. Russia has always said no.
 
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Ukraine is guilty of war crimes and to deny or cover for them is also a war-crime. They are also guilty of genocide along with the. US and EU by canceling all things Russian.
 

King Crab

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That is a Western view that is not facing imminent bombing of their home, their family's home, and their family fleeing for their lives with what little they can carry as homeless refugees. The only people who don't have a "single second to even blink or breath" are the Ukrainian refugees. I expect there will ultimately be blowback on this to the Western tactician view. Of course, the Russian soldiers could be withdrawn at any time, which is what negotiations should seek. In the interim, Ukraine people need that "single second to breathe."
Preaching that Ukraine is the one who needs to step up to peace talks is a ridiculous notion unless you are actively pushing a Russian agenda under the guise of pacifism. Russia invaded, the barbars have bombed POWs, have around the clock since the war began incinerated whole cities and continue to actively bomb civilian targets with the purpose of outright slaughter, blown elderly couples in cars with point blank tank rounds, spread anti personnel mines across civilian cities and villages, bomb schools hospitals and theatres, they have actively practiced scorched earth terrorism destroying granaries and farmlands so there is no food and populaces are starved to death. All thats left for them now are to use chemical weapons or tactical wmds and you STILL carry on with wanting Ukraine to concede land and beg to seek peace. With all due respect, I refuse to take you seriously sir. The only one mocking human life is you by pointing the blame at anyone other than that murderous thug Putin who needs to withdraw his animals back to Russia. I also have 0 respect for the majority of the Russian populace who are on vacation in Crimea or sight seeing in Europe while back home their glorious Hitler marches on Ukraine for refusing to merge back into the soviet empire. Disgraceful.
 
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