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Ukrainians had 8 years to comply with Minsk that would put Russia into an embarassing and inferior position - yet they only stockpiled arms and pushed for aggressive narrative through a decade. That's what i call no logical reason.
I'm sorry who started that conflict? Ukraine had every right to be afraid and get weapons. You can take that propaganda somewhere else dude. Russia is the one who took a open shit right on that agreement.

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For what though? A warm water port? Was it really worth it???
 
I'm sorry who started that conflict
Ukraine has started that clearing operation and started oppressing the populace, forcing them to take up arms.
Ukraine had every right to be afraid and get weapons
To improve their defensive capabilities, yes that would be great. But not getting weaponry for offensive posturing meanwhile constantly sending sabotage group to Russian borders and baiting NATO countries into a bloody war for their sick ambitions.
You can take that propaganda somewhere else dude.
These words means that i must continue to keep beating others bias.
 
Does anybody else get the sense that the reason the media and governments are saying they will invade 100% is because they want to throw Russia off and use it as a diversion tactic because I just don’t see how Russia haven’t invaded yet if their actually going to , why would they wait this long if they already ‘made the decision’ the longer they wait the harder it will be and they know that themselves
 
Ukraine has started that clearing operation and started oppressing the populace, forcing them to take up arms.

To improve their defensive capabilities, yes that would be great. But not getting weaponry for offensive posturing meanwhile constantly sending sabotage group to Russian borders and baiting NATO countries into a bloody war for their sick ambitions.

These words means that i must continue to keep beating others bias.
Who can dictate what is considered defensive vs offensive in nature?
 
America is equally complicit in propaganda, the real difference (and most worrying) is more people from within and other countries are inclined to take it at face value and not question it due to them being in the so called "good side".
 
America is equally complicit in propaganda, the real difference (and most worrying) is more people from within and other countries are inclined to take it at face value and not question it due to them being in the so called "good side".
Everyone is on the "good side", just depends on which side you are facing.
 
All where Russian. Ukraine showing extreme discipline and restraint. They will not give Russia a REAL excuse to move in. Give Ukraine leadership much gratitude for exercising extreme restraint against unprovoked Russian actions.
Shelling front positions does not give enough excuse because there is no media coverage, video materials and reaction from the general audience. Soldiers do not spend their days filming explosion craters around their positions, that what monitoring mission do. Besides this OSCE report that does not get coverage, it gives almost zero reasons to intervene. Artillery shelling happened many times over the last few years and people are used to it.

Civilian casualties (which happened on DPR/LPR side as well, I can provide some video materials, if you are ok with gore) is another thing. I can accept that this can at least have some goal because of the media coverage it gets. But I clearly don't understand why 95% remaining shells "from Russia" would be directed on the frontline positions of DPR/LPR forces where they remain unnoticed by the general public.
 
Ukraine has started that clearing operation and started oppressing the populace, forcing them to take up arms.

To improve their defensive capabilities, yes that would be great. But not getting weaponry for offensive posturing meanwhile constantly sending sabotage group to Russian borders and baiting NATO countries into a bloody war for their sick ambitions.

These words means that i must continue to keep beating others bias.
To be 100% honest we as Americans are brainwashed at a young age and never taught of the good of other countries. When I was younger I swore to God Germany was still a Nazi powerhouse and the UK hated us, and Russia just wanted to nuke us...but seeing the shit we do to make nationalists so we can go kill other people is fucking crazy.


Citizen I agree with you, and the sentiment is there. Look at the cuban missile crisis and look at how pissed we were when Russia was on our border. Now we are on their border and they have no right to be mad. Every single country will brainwash their children to be a nationalist or try so that you'll be a loyal little soldier and die for the countries rich with no second thought.

You'll go fight for the rich for little to no reward because you are "protecting your country". We aren't protecting our people here when we kill innocent people and our brainwashed, nationalist kids are in a fully forigen country. How does that make sense...they fly here hijack a plane, you go into their country to fight them...it'll just piss them off more to the point they'll want to hit us againn.

We as Americans are so brainwashed to believe the garbage that we need to be there to protect here, and we are the moral high ground, and if we don't protect others they can't help themselves.

We need to understand that no culture Is superior as each has perks and benefits and we need to stop this hypocritical Bs on the mainstage. Nobody does anything for anyone unless there is a profit for them. A country won't give it's people the truth because you'll have less nationalists out to go fight a war. The key to winning a war is to prepetuate death, fear and get people hyped to go kill someone on the other side, when normally it's inhumane to do that in a public setting...but ohh no when you need to go protect billionaires and millionaires it's justified. I'm simply saying this because many people with no money or minimal investment in America act like they are...the shit..like dude you don't even have 400k in assets your a pawn. If a country invests in you, you're more likely to fight for I. If you create the illusion of threat or personal investment into a person, you can have more fighters.


I'm telling you right now if America came out and said If you get drafted and don't show up, your degree is now null..that's a lot more to me than saying "you'll be fined and put in jail and barred from federal service". It's all about your investments.
 
To be 100% honest we as Americans are brainwashed at a young age and never taught of the good of other countries. When I was younger I swore to God Germany was still a Nazi powerhouse and the UK hated us, and Russia just wanted to nuke us...but seeing the shit we do to make nationalists so we can go kill other people is fucking crazy.


Citizen I agree with you, and the sentiment is there. Look at the cuban missile crisis and look at how pissed we were when Russia was on our border. Now we are on their border and they have no right to be mad. Every single country will brainwash their children to be a nationalist or try so that you'll be a loyal little soldier and die for the countries rich with no second thought.

You'll go fight for the rich for little to no reward because you are "protecting your country". We aren't protecting our people here when we kill innocent people and our brainwashed, nationalist kids are in a fully forigen country. How does that make sense...they fly here hijack a plane, you go into their country to fight them...it'll just piss them off more to the point they'll want to hit us againn.

We as Americans are so brainwashed to believe the garbage that we need to be there to protect here, and we are the moral high ground, and if we don't protect others they can't help themselves.

We need to understand that no culture Is superior as each has perks and benefits and we need to stop this hypocritical Bs on the mainstage. Nobody does anything for anyone unless there is a profit for them. A country won't give it's people the truth because you'll have less nationalists out to go fight a war. The key to winning a war is to prepetuate death, fear and get people hyped to go kill someone on the other side, when normally it's inhumane to do that in a public setting...but ohh no when you need to go protect billionaires and millionaires it's justified. I'm simply saying this because many people with no money or minimal investment in America act like they are...the shit..like dude you don't even have 400k in assets your a pawn. If a country invests in you, you're more likely to fight for I. If you create the illusion of threat or personal investment into a person, you can have more fighters.


I'm telling you right now if America came out and said If you get drafted and don't show up, your degree is now null..that's a lot more to me than saying "you'll be fined and put in jail and barred from federal service". It's all about your investments.
Kinda long read and don’t disagree with it completely, but some I do.
So who are the Russian soldiers on the boarder there for?
Are they fighting for Russia? Do you honestly believe Ukraine is going to invade Russia. If you do, well...... that’s just laughable
Or are we just going to redraw some more international boarders and call it self defense?
 
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