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UA-RU-NATO | DISCUSSIONS 14th July - 1st October 2023

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@Silent may have been trying to argue that minimizing an adversary by using the term "animal" is similar to the tactic used by National Socialists against their adversaries (Jewish people, Slavic people) to justify the evil acts, crimes against humanity, and war crimes the Nazis performed upon them.

The difference here is that I haven't seen @Torch advocate terrorizing Russians or use the term "animal" to justify committing war crimes or crimes against humanity upon Russians. I conclude that the statements "They’re animals. Don’t trust them Don’t believe them" are perhaps directed toward the Russian government and Russian military actors. That happens in conflict and war on all sides.

So @Torch - IMO your statements have little to do with National Socialism.
Why in February last year we changed social media rules to alllow for the calling of the death of Russians. Then we banned everything Russian. Now people on here celebrate laws to persecute and round up Russian people. We are already worse than the NAZI's and killed almost as many civilian people during the last 40 years as the Germans in WW2.

Our fall will be so much worse!!!
History books will show the US as the worst country to have ever existed!
 
Why in February last year we changed social media rules to alllow for the calling of the death of Russians. Then we banned everything Russian. Now people on here celebrate laws to persecute and round up Russian people. We are already worse than the NAZI's and killed almost as many civilian people during the last 40 years as the Germans in WW2.

Our fall will be so much worse!!!
History books will show the US as the worst country to have ever existed!
I think Russia already took that L ^. On another note I don’t condone going at anyone for what they want to say and believe in. This forum I would like to think is an ideal platform where everyone can speak their mind in a just manner without persecution (one of the many reasons I love America). The only reasons folks come at yall (citizen, bartok and you Peace) is because y’all actively disregard the atrocities Russia is committing in a war they started over bogus “Nazi” claims. The history books will all say the same thing, Russia invaded Ukraine for no reason other than political destabilization and dictators dreaming of an old Russian landscape.
 
Why in February last year we changed social media rules to alllow for the calling of the death of Russians. Then we banned everything Russian. Now people on here celebrate laws to persecute and round up Russian people. We are already worse than the NAZI's and killed almost as many civilian people during the last 40 years as the Germans in WW2.

Our fall will be so much worse!!!
History books will show the US as the worst country to have ever existed!
  1. We've been asked by moderators to exercise care in invoking Nazi imagery when arguing current events. The claim is exceptionally emotional and diminishes the horrors performed by the Third Reich. Quite frankly, I think it is over the top at times...
  2. The Putin regime claimed there was Nazism in UA and used that in part to justify their invasion. I am not sure I want to align myself with governments who use that imagery as justification for the UA conflict. It's really an emotionally charged way to claim that there is Fascism in UA. But, coming from Putin, that is almost like the pot calling the kettle black.
  3. I have never advocated for rounding up and persecuting Russian people. I do advocate UA pushing back the Russian government and military out of their land and seeking a lasting peace that secures the existence of UA and helps assuage some of RU's security concerns. The conflict must be conducted legally by both sides according to internationally recognized warfare conventions.
  4. I believe the hypothetical "future" history books referenced in the comment above that describe the "US as the worst country ever to have existed" are to be those found in the propaganda libraries of North Korea and Cuba. Perhaps a growing number might be found in the libraries of Russia as their propaganda machine heats up and the UA conflict drags on.
 
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Why in February last year we changed social media rules to alllow for the calling of the death of Russians. Then we banned everything Russian. Now people on here celebrate laws to persecute and round up Russian people. We are already worse than the NAZI's and killed almost as many civilian people during the last 40 years as the Germans in WW2.

Our fall will be so much worse!!!
History books will show the US as the worst country to have ever existed!
I'm not sure exactly what "rule" changes you are referring too. As pointed out on numerous occasions, the majority of members who post here are aligned with US/NATO in this conflict, so their posts will reflect that.
As far as banning anything "Russian", well that simply is not true. I myself have posted pro-Russian content, but always note that it IS pro Russian sourced.
 
We are already worse than the NAZI's and killed almost as many civilian people during the last 40 years as the Germans in WW2.
That is just not accurate.
See the chart below for total deaths of civilians, particularly those which were considered Allied Civilian Casualtdis
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Now see the deaths civilians reportedly at the hands of the US just during the Post 9/11 war on terror
 
I think Russia already took that L ^. On another note I don’t condone going at anyone for what they want to say and believe in. This forum I would like to think is an ideal platform where everyone can speak their mind in a just manner without persecution (one of the many reasons I love America). The only reasons folks come at yall (citizen, bartok and you Peace) is because y’all actively disregard the atrocities Russia is committing in a war they started over bogus “Nazi” claims. The history books will all say the same thing, Russia invaded Ukraine for no reason other than political destabilization and dictators dreaming of an old Russian landscape.
History is written by the victors!!!
Collapsed Empires are always despised and persecuted. Our time is coming!
Maybe I could understand your feelings if the US had been brought before the ICC and thousands of Soldiers and Civilians including our past Presidents were prosecuted Instead the US sanctioned and threatened them when they investigated! Along with the UK, Australia and Germany. So only our Enemies can be held to standards.
Is the US still Illegally in Syria against the wishes of the Government and stealing its resources. Might is Right except when It is someone I'm afraid of!
 
History is written by the victors!!!
Collapsed Empires are always despised and persecuted. Our time is coming!
Maybe I could understand your feelings if the US had been brought before the ICC and thousands of Soldiers and Civilians including our past Presidents were prosecuted Instead the US sanctioned and threatened them when they investigated! Along with the UK, Australia and Germany. So only our Enemies can be held to standards.
Is the US still Illegally in Syria against the wishes of the Government and stealing its resources. Might is Right except when It is someone I'm afraid of!
Do I know that the US has committed atrocities? Yes. Everyone here does. I’m not defending the US against that. It’s talked about in schools and history books here every day. That’s the beauty of it though, unlike Russia y’all’s propaganda is actively trying to dissuade its citizens into believing it isn’t doing any wrong in Ukraine. I know how the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but can’t make it drink. I’m not gonna beat a dead horse, just know no one here is attacking you personally just trying to see if we can get you to open your eyes a bit to it all.
 
Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki warned on Saturday that the Wagner Group could be planning a "hybrid attack" against his country after the paramilitary organization moved more than 100 troops near the Suwałki Gap.

The Wagner Group's presence in Belarus has fueled concerns that it could invade Poland to seize control of the Suwałki Gap, a small but critical corridor located along Poland's northeastern border that separates Russia from the exclave Kaliningrad. Should the Wagner Group and Russia take control over the gap, they would isolate the Baltic states from the rest of Europe, potentially allowing Moscow to exert greater influence over these nations.

"This is definitely a step towards a further hybrid attack on Polish territory," Morawiecki said. "They are likely to be disguised as Belarusian border guards and will help illegal immigrants enter Polish territory, destabilize Poland, but they are also likely to try to enter Polish territory posing as illegal immigrants, which creates additional risks."

Poland is a member state of NATO, meaning any attack against it would be treated as an attack against the entire military alliance, per Article 5 of its founding treaty. This means it would likely draw a military response from the U.S. and much of Europe.

"The arrival of Prigozhin and Wagner forces in Belarus is another example of Lukashenka ceding further control and decision making to the Kremlin, contrary to the interests and wishes of the Belarusian people," the Department of State said in its statement. "We continue to look closely at the actions Wagner forces take that are against the interests of the countries where they operate, and we will continue to take actions to hold them accountable."

You can't mount an invasion with 100 troops.
 
Why in February last year we changed social media rules to alllow for the calling of the death of Russians. Then we banned everything Russian. Now people on here celebrate laws to persecute and round up Russian people. We are already worse than the NAZI's and killed almost as many civilian people during the last 40 years as the Germans in WW2.

Our fall will be so much worse!!!
History books will show the US as the worst country to have ever existed!
I do not believe that is a whole accurate description.
Yes absolutely there is animosity and name calling.
There are also a majority of calls to kill Russians engage in the invasion of Ukraine. For them to be roundly defeated.
This is kind of the nature of open warfare. Without the will to see an aggressor invaded there is not much of a hope in countering that invasion.

There have been no calls to “round” up Russians here, defeat them yes but not round them up.
There have been very few calls to actually invade Russia.

Harsh words are not a hate crime. And if your not happy with the prevalent view that Russia is the aggressor and needs to be defeated. That does not make it violation of anything but your opinion.

If you can’t sway the debate with a logical and convincing argument.
Then Resorting to superfluous and shallow charges of crime of round ups?

No nation is perfect, how many times does this have to be said.
How many Ukrainians did the Russian/soviet government kill in the 20’s and 30’s

Address the issue Russia invaded Ukraine because they didn’t like it.
How many Ukraines have they killed in the last 2 1/2 years because they weren’t happy about the outcome.

Till then don’t waste your time with birdshot accusations against everyone else.
 
Heavy propaganda white noise just like usual. Really convenient to blame Russia for everything, while abducting lots of kids and women refugees for famous Western black markets of organ and sex slavery. I've heard many mentions from Ukraine refugees on shady cars at Polish border who offer shelter and help for women and children refugees and never heard again of those who took the ride.
Your society cannot function without having another bad guy to blame their own fucked up shit who won't talk back, and heavy media indocrination.
"2 wrongs don't make a right"
 
While I can agree Ukrainian and westerns are not immune from bad shit and people. No question it goes both ways.

It’s also highly ironic the charges that are society can’t survive with out a bad guy to blame everything on.

It was that very type of argument that justified the invasion.
We have to do this for this that and the other reason.
Not to mention all these russian sympathizers sources are always "I heard" or "people are saying". Never an article with independent investigation, pictures, eyewitness accounts... because they know it is bullshit.
 
Why in February last year we changed social media rules to alllow for the calling of the death of Russians. Then we banned everything Russian. Now people on here celebrate laws to persecute and round up Russian people. We are already worse than the NAZI's and killed almost as many civilian people during the last 40 years as the Germans in WW2.

Our fall will be so much worse!!!
History books will show the US as the worst country to have ever existed!
Buddy, have you seen the street interviews in Russia compared to street interviews in USA? When asked questions about western people the Russians more then often say we should all die and get nuked. Americans don't have a problem with Russian people unless they are actively supporting their GENOCIDAL regime. You know, kinda how people didn't take kindly to people who just sat by and let war crimes go unchecked. And don't even try to compare these situations to any of USA's past wars in the modern age. It is completely different and I could write a full essay on why you are wrong. Please don't make me waste my time🤣
 
Well now we discussed suwalki gap . Imagine how stupid nato and Poland are combined to allow Russia to remain using it to transfer weapons etc to fight Ukraine. All the sanctions yet no closure. 🤣😂😂 POLAND TERRITORY 🤣😂🤣
 
Heavy propaganda white noise just like usual. Really convenient to blame Russia for everything, while abducting lots of kids and women refugees for famous Western black markets of organ and sex slavery. I've heard many mentions from Ukraine refugees on shady cars at Polish border who offer shelter and help for women and children refugees and never heard again of those who took the ride.
Your society cannot function without having another bad guy to blame their own fucked up shit who won't talk back, and heavy media indocrination.
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The International Criminal Court has issued a fucking arrest warrant for Putin.
 
I'm taking the liberty not to talk to someone who is clearly only here to start trouble and talk like a buffoon. I will be blocking you now again as well. Don't have to time to read garbage.
Oww BLOCK! I Totally forgot about it because nobody here is that obnoxious.
Past tense.
Opps its actually an ignore button. My bad.
 
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