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I agree. I get the free speech and the public knowledge, but no sense making it easier for the bad buggers to find it. I know that in Iraq, all the talk back home jeopardized many missions success and our lives.
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UA-RU-NATO | DISCUSSIONS (Closed)
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You know it has been fear mongered as a great catastrophic issue that nato is going to have to replenish lots of ammunition.
NATO arsenals ‘empty’ – Stoltenberg
NATO needs to replenish stockpiles of weapons and ammunition depleted by supplying Ukraine, the US-led bloc’s head has saidwww.rt.com
Russia’s plan is going quite nicely.
It gets thrown out their like the stockpiles are just going to dry up and no more will be made.
Who has more capability to replenish stockpiles?
And who where these stockpile intended for for the longest of time?
Who has had to go to their erstwhile Allie’s and ask them to ship munitions back to Russia because they were running short.
Who again is rolling refurbished 40 and fifty year old tanks out of lots because they can build no replacement modern armor.
Don’t get me wrong it will take time to rebuild stockpiles.
But who is more able to accomplish this nato or Russia?
Munition stockpile depletion is a two way street.
So I’d would say thr plan has worked out nicely to deplete Russian military stores and made it virtually impossible to be a serious conventional threat for 8-10 years. I’m just spit balling there on the timeframe. Could be shorter could be longer.
It is funny people doubt the Western Military industrial complex. That doubt is not based in logic, facts, or reality.
Russia a economy no bigger than the State of Texas compared to the US & 30 plus nations combined. Yea we will be just fine in the production and replacement of ammunition.
Russia has virtually no one. West has a whole collective of nations which wealth and production capabilities dwarf Russia by a ridiculously ginormous epic landslide.
But can't put much blame in people's ignorance from falling prey to misinformation or propaganda from Russia & China. Humans are gullible, its why propaganda can be effective in a lot of instances.
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It's not for nothing that the United States was known as the "Arsenal of Democracy" during WW II. Though we don't have the industrial base that we once did, in a mobilization scenario, Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda plants could crank out a lot of munitions.
That and it's not just America but dozens of other modern/devloped nations working together in the manufacturing of ammunition. Seriously dwarfs anything Russia is capable of by a very long shot.
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How do we work around the pesky fact that much of our manufacturing capacity and knowledge was offshored to China while factories were to left rust and rot in the US? Couple that with the NIMBY crowd and environmentalists who would push back on any ramp up in manufacturing activity on shore? Would we need time to reskill and retool stateside? Time to fend off lawsuits? Time to wade through the political morass of special interest groups and pacifist peaceniks?
I am not asking to be difficult. I am asking because I would like to understand and/or see some evidence to put my concerns at ease. In terms of manufacturing and industrial output, it seems to me we have been dormant (if not down right industrially decadent) for some time.
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For goods and services, not for munitions.
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Fair point. How about all of the ancillary components associated with munitions along with delivery platforms and other hardware associated with "launching" or dispatching the munitions?
That's simply not true and a overly exacerbated falsehood pushed by US politicians (both sides) in campaigns to win voters by "acting" strong against China.
Because of these over exaderated falsehoods politicians like to use to gain voters people think or act like every single assembly plant, factory, or industrial plant in America just disappeared. That is not the case at all in America. We still have a very strong industrial backbone.
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Wouldn't be surprised. Protracted war and disease go together like gin and tonic.
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The Crimean war back towards the turn of the 20th century was plagued with infectious disease. Churchill was skewered for it...Wouldn't be surprised. Protracted war and disease go together like gin and tonic.
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Agreed, but there's no political will to make that happen. "An army of sheep led by a lion is better than an army of lions led by a sheep" - goes the old saying. There's no major political party in either the US or Japan that would be seriously thinking about gearing up for war. As regards the US, the Democrats still seem to believe this can be "managed" at no cost to domestic policy, while the Republicans have now fully embraced this newfangled concept where you can simply pretend problems don't exist.
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I see your point and found this source that appears to support your claim in some manner:
https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/g17/100_years_of_ip_data.htm
Though, at the risk of wandering too far off topic, is it possible that our "strong industrial backbone" transitioned to a high-tech output type of economy that may not be "backwards compatible" (for lack of a better term ) to the type of output required to support weapons manufacturing?
Yes your correct we have a large high-tech specialized industrial manufacturing capacity that has grown very large. A lot of which couldn't make a lot of basic ammunition likly.
But it did not replace or cause dirty industry & manufacturing to vanish. Still very much alive. We still have a very large dirty industry capacity. America is very ridiculously large and just 1 state GDP (domestic products) is equivalent or can be comparable to a entire country itself.
We are more than capable on our own to replenish ammunition. Add in 30+ other nations working with The US to produce ammunition. Russia has zero chance to keep up with Western Military industrial complex. We also have a way bigger checkbook than Russia.
We can without a doubt run Russia into the ground by out-producing & out-spending them until they have nothing left or unable to keep up.
Russia simply does not have the numbers on their side compared to the entire collective of Western nations in virtually every aspect weather production, wealth, global connections, and much more.
Only problem is if the West does not stay focused on the goal, doesn't lose interest, and hopefully gives Ukraine what it actually needs to win.
Russia simply does not have the numbers on their side compared to the entire collective of Western nations in virtually every aspect weather production, wealth, global connections, and much more.
Only problem is if the West does not stay focused on the goal, doesn't lose interest, and hopefully gives Ukraine what it actually needs to win.
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and hopefully gives Ukraine what it actually needs to win.
good Joke!
good Joke!
I have a better question read below.How’s your bridge in Crimea doing?Ukraine is losing war and the Chinese wish you a good day from Cuba.
Here's a joke, how is digging for the quarter of million dead Russian swine going?good Joke!
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Anything DOD related is kept inhouse and not farmed out overseas, including the launching, moving, carrying etc.
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How long before Putin and the Russian cucks try to flip the tables and claim victim?
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