Russia was never going to let grain through Ukraine. They want to make millions of innocent children and elderly starve to death in Africa. Because that's just what Russia does.
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Russia was never going to let grain through Ukraine. They want to make millions of innocent children and elderly starve to death in Africa. Because that's just what Russia does.
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Looks like fresh Russian Nazis getting what they deserve. Enjoy hell.
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It’s amazing the hatred people have for the Russians, because the news said they should hate them. People WANT to see others die. Like, what the hell?
In all honestly, Russia has done virtually nothing to 90% of the worlds population, yet over 2/3 of the world hates them because they invaded ONE country. How many countries has the United States destroyed over the years in the name of democracy? Remember Iraq? Afghanistan? Libya? We all gotta chill with this hate, and debate logically.
Russia does not have Nazis, are you kidding me?
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Washington Post is reporting that Ukraine has launched its counteroffensive against Russia. Article behind a paywall so not much more detail than that.
The news didn't have to tell me.
The genocidal rampage, atrocities, war crimes, forceful kidnapping & brainwashing of thousands of Ukrainian children, and purposely targeting civilians Russia is doing against the Ukrainian people is more than enough to hate Putins Russia and anyone who supports them without question, hands down, without a doubt. Get on right side of history or... well can't say it here.
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There's a lot packed into this. So let's debate this logically, passionately, and respectfully.
I agree that the statement "Russian Nazi's" evokes inflammatory imagery. I think this is a comment on or reference to tactics and some of the news of abuses, abductions, or war crimes come out of the conflict. I am not sure this statement is arguing that Russia consists of National Socialists of the Hitler flavor. However, one can reasonably argue that Russia is behaving more and more like a fascist state.
Russia has done virtually nothing to roughly 90% of the world is hyperbole. I am sure the people of Georgia and Moldova have a different opinion. The Baltic republics are probably rightfully concerned too. Perhaps Russia is currently invading only one country, but arguably it is bullying others.
I believe that the world opposes the actions of the Russian government, not the Russian people. I do not want for the Russian people to suffer needlessly. I would like to see the Russian military in Ukraine stopped. Unfortunately, in a conflict or war, that means both aggressors (Russia) and defenders (Ukraine) perish.
And yes, as an American, I am willing to admit the US has made some mistakes. Iraq and Afghanistan are not the right examples though. Better examples exist in Central and South America (such as the Arbenz government in Guatemala), or, at the risk of alienating veterans (please forgive me), bad actions by some in Vietnam.
The statement about US destroying Afghanistan is ironic as it seems to ignore the invasion by the USSR, of which Russia was typically the dominant member.
Of course that's what he meant and what anyone means when we call Russia nazis. Which Russia is the nazi like threat of this century. Not that they agree with Hilter.
Yeah poor attempt at deflection from Russian horrific, brutal, genocidal war crimes in/against Ukraine.
Yea people love to scream Afghanistan but than purposely fail to mention the total Russian genocide carried out against the Afghanistan people itself where Russians shot anything that moved until most towns where mostly slaughtered like farm animals. Again due to their shortcomings. See a pattern?
Afghanistan never to this day has recovered population wise after the Russians slaughtered tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of civilians purposely in Afghanistan. Will likly never know the true extent or how bad Russian genocide was in Afghanistan. But the official number likly falls extremely flat to the true horror.
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Actually that is a good point I had not considered. If the debate is focused on the actions of Russia in Ukraine, shifting focus of the argument to the actions of the US in other theaters is potentially a red herring.
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I’ve always been open to hearing every side of things, and don’t condone letting anger get the best of us here, but unfortunately Russia is in the spotlight right now and it’s like a black light to a motel 6. They have committed several atrocities during this war and every time something new comes out there’s always folks to quickly defend them. The longer this goes on and more effective the Ukrainian counter offensive becomes, the more everyone will see how dirty the Russians can play. At the end of the day, no one would be calling anyone nazis if they didn’t invade another country. Boil it down to that simple argument and nothing else can be made. Don’t want to make front page news for all the ra*ing, killing and displacing of civilians? Don’t invade a sovereign nation.
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Russia has certainly opened the door by attacking flood victims and attempting a decapitation strike.
NATO countries can follow Russia’s 2014 blueprint of sending soldiers and supplies to the front lines under the guise of humanitarian aid.
Yes! We should. Infact after Russia blowing the dam up The West should send in peacekeepers to the area to help Ukraine. Also send a peacekeeping mission to let Ukraine grain be shipped to the millions of starving people Russia is purposely letting die of starvation by blocking any grain shipments.
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I could support UN peacekeepers. But Russia would veto.
NATO is a no-go for me. That would be viewed as a NATO invasion and I think would be immediately escalatory.
Then a NATO peacekeeping naval mission to ensure the safety of ships carrying grain in blacksea to be sent to the world's most vulnerable food insecure nations with millions starving because of Putin's blockade of food to the world.
Not sure how Putin would come up with a excuse to sink grain ships or ships protecting grain that is meant for the starving masses mostly in Afrcia. He would lose whatever little international support he has left.
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He could argue that the grain ships are being used to ship weapons into the Ukrainian theater (let's say on the return from Africa) and the NATO vessels are being used to protect the shipments.
Sure he can say that. No one will buy it and he will lose what little international support he has left.
It would not make any logistical sense to do that too. When we already have the entire polish border along Ukraine to flood weapons through much safer too under the guise of tree tops than by open port/ship.
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I did think immediately after I typed my statement that we are already quite publicly shipping weapons to Ukraine anyways, so yes, if Putin did make the excuse I am proposing, it would be a weak argument. But he's never going to convince the West that what he is doing is correct. He only has to appease his people, his minions, and his allies to keep them onboard. Yes it would be a dumb argument from our perspective, but it directly feeds the narrative he needs to justify his actions to his sphere of influence.
Fair enough. I know I'm just wishful thinking. Still... sad that doing the right thing will lead to the end of the world as we know it. Really messed up.
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I agree. NATO and western leaders really have a challenge on their hands. It's looking like the plan is to let Russia wear out (or some kind of war-of-attrition situation), which comes with its own risks if, as part of this wearing out, Russia starts to believe it is facing an existential threat.
Whatever we do, we need to avoid a punitive Treaty of Versailles situation so that we don't find ourselves combating someone more tyrannical 10 years down the road.
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