Universal Basic Income

[Torch]

Once material costs come down to almost nothing UBI will be a permanent sysyem and eventually money will be useless.

Once it becomes cheap to bring resources from outer space to Earth it will plummet the price of materials to almost nothing paired with full automated work force there will be no need for money or work.

UBI won't end up being a system giving people money, because by that time money won't mean anything when materials are virtually free & limitless, paired with a laborforce entirly automated. UBI will be ensuring our survival needs like a roof over your head & food.

Big picture people. We are moving tworda a limitless resource society where materials will cost nothing, paired with a entirly automated workforce. No other options once we achieve those two things, which we are well on our way to brining materials from space to Earth and full atomization of workforce.

IMO Space elevators and re-entry loss and cost of mass drivers (moon) will never be cheap. It will be less then the inflated by scarcity cost of precious metals from earth but not cheap.

DN if you are still reading guess what? I think you are right. The printing costs for everything (including medical implants) will plummet. People will retreat to virtual worlds that are a hell of a lot better than their miserable lives.

Even with freezing population growth and having 20 hour work weeks there will not be enough jobs for the people. You can pay them or shoot them. Paying them is easier and cheaper in the long run.

My 2¢

 

[Torch]

Big picture people. We are moving tworda a limitless resource society where materials will cost nothing, paired with a entirly automated workforce. No other options once we achieve those two things

 

[NuclearID]

IMO Space elevators and re-entry loss and cost of mass drivers (moon) will never be cheap. It will be less then the inflated by scarcity cost of precious metals from earth but not cheap.

Your talking about somthing different then astrioid mining. Sure going to the moon or space travel to other planets and living on them will of course be expensive no matter what.

But for everyday materials that make everyday items, and run our everyday lives, that, that will become so cheap it might as well be free once astrioid mining becomes a scalable thing. Which we are well on our way to making it happen in the next couple of decades.

Once earths markets are flooded with unlimited materials and resources paired with a automated work force money and the necessity for work/jobs will be no more.

It's not a matter if UBI will be needed but when.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Your talking about somthing different then astrioid mining. Sure going to the moon or space travel to other planets and living on them will of course be expensive no matter what.

But for everyday materials that make everyday items, and run our everyday lives, that, that will become so cheap it might as well be free once astrioid mining becomes a scalable thing. Which we are well on our way to making it happen in the next couple of decades.

Once earths markets are flooded with unlimited materials and resources paired with a automated work force money and the necessity for work/jobs will be no more.

It's not a matter if UBI will be needed but when.

It would be awesome to work on an asteroid

 

[NuclearID]

It would be awesome to work on an asteroid

Yea consider me signed up. No it will likly be all automated, robots.

 

[Publius]

Once material costs come down to almost nothing UBI will be a permanent sysyem and eventually money will be useless.

Once it becomes cheap to bring resources from outer space to Earth it will plummet the price of materials to almost nothing paired with full automated work force there will be no need for money or work.

UBI won't end up being a system giving people money, because by that time money won't mean anything when materials are virtually free & limitless, paired with a laborforce entirly automated. UBI will be ensuring our survival needs like a roof over your head & food.

Big picture people. We are moving tworda a limitless resource society where materials will cost nothing, paired with a entirly automated workforce. No other options once we achieve those two things, which we are well on our way to brining materials from space to Earth and full atomization of workforce.

We are well on our way to bringing raw materials to earth?
Well like ALL materials cost prohibitive or free, their are transportation cost.
I’m Sorry maybe on a Star Trek episode.
Or 100 years. One of the single biggest cost components of any raw material is transportation cost, You know fuel!
And you’re proposing off planet resource procurement as almost free and limitless.

I’m sorry when was free energy created to power all these off world shopping trips created. I missed that.

We’re talking about UBI in the real world today. Not in 150 years when we create the United Federation of Planet.

It’s all just Pollyanna BS.

As far as how UBI is actually being talked about being implemented in the real world theoretically in the near future.

All citizens are given a regular repeating income. Irregardless of any means test nor past or present work status.
So much disinformation with what people mean when they refer to this.

An economy with out money? Ok who decides who and how much each person gets.
What if you don’t receive in your living stipend to live the life you want to do.
Go on a vacation once a year verses four times a year.
You UBI uncle doesn’t give you enough cash to go to spring break twice a year vs just once.
what happens if your UBI daddy decides you’ve been bad and they put limits on your stipend because you turned down a job that your expected to work for for free. Because you have a UBI and money is no longer a thing.

 

[NuclearID]

We are well on our way to bringing raw materials to earth?
Well like ALL materials cost prohibitive or free, their are transportation cost.
I’m Sorry maybe on a Star Trek episode.
Or 100 years. One of the single biggest cost components of any raw material is transportation cost, You know fuel!

When transporting becomes entirly electric which will then be eventually all renewable energy. Won't really see the problem. Cost of transporting things would essentially become free especially since the materials to build the renewable energy plants become extremely cheap from bringing materials from space and flooding Earth's Market with cheap and unlimited resources paired with a free labor robotic workforce to manufacture on the cheap.

Sure not now. But likly in our kids life time imo. Or at least the start of somthing like this.

You UBI uncle doesn’t give you enough cash to go to spring break twice a year vs just once.
what happens if your UBI daddy decides you’ve been bad and they put limits on your stipend because you turned down a job that your expected to work for for free. Because you have a UBI and money is no longer a thing.

You don't understand what a post resource scarcity/post currency UBI system is.... Since there will be unlimited resources and Limitless manufacturing capabilities on the cheap. There will be nothing one couldn't be able to do, seek, achieve, or obtain. There will be no limits to achieve one's needs or wants.

That is the general direction as a society and technology is progressing too and rather quickly on human time scales.

 

[Publius]

When transporting becomes entirly electric which will then be eventually all renewable energy. Won't really see the problem. Cost of transporting things would essentially become free especially since the materials to build the renewable energy plants become extremely cheap from bringing materials from space and flooding Earth's Market with cheap and unlimited resources paired with a free labor robotic workforce to manufacture on the cheap.

Sure not now. But likly in our kids life time imo. Or at least the start of somthing like this.


You don't understand what a post resource scarcity/post currency UBI system is.... Since there will be unlimited resources and Limitless manufacturing capabilities on the cheap. There will be nothing one couldn't be able to do, seek, achieve, or obtain. There will be no limits to achieve one's needs or wants.

That is the general direction as a society and technology is progressing too and rather quickly on human time scales.

No limit to what people could want?
We don’t even have sufficient battery storage capacity and where going to the stars with it?
You know how many recharging stations the renewable administration that were built between 2020 and 2023?
Zero!!
And renewables will save the world! And it will cost nothing.

I’m sorry show some real tangible progress, or at least qualify them prophecies as speculative or movie script.
With a wave of your hand you talk about some speculative zero cost future where everyone is going to be able to what ever they want and because we have UBI no one will have to work and.


Most don’t even understand the difference between a really elegant algorithm vs what a actual AI.

I’m all for tech and research.
But just like the nascent research into the atom and fission. It is simply impossible to reasonably speculate what that research and implementation will result in 100 years down the road.

I’m not a Luddite and arguing for no IA or space exploration.
I am a classical conservative. Preserve what does work well, implement change cautiously and take care that we do not change things so fast that in the end that change is worse than the original stage.

Speculating or promising rainbows are usually done for one of two reasons.
1. In all actuality what is being promised actually will be nothing like what is being sold.
2. Or there is actually a very limited and realistic comprehension regarding the question at hand.