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US Military Build-Up Near Venezuela | DISCUSSIONS
- Thread starter DarkNoon
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Could be nothing but routine or it could be ominous.
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While what actually happens its such a hoot to see rumors of Maduro fleeing Venezuela just because the USN and Marines show up. Not a shot fired.
Curious how that works.
Curious how that works.
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I think that's called "living in your head, rent free" or "head games!"
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I wonder if a big carrier is going to show up around there. I'm gonna have to check to see what land air force bases are in range. I know they can fuel up in the air, but I don't think that's conducive for high volume strike sorties.
You are half right. While F35 A must and F35C should use runways, F35C need some love to cut their range. The other and main thing they might do is clear the decks for the 101st and 10th to park the helicopters close enough to commute to the war.
If we see ARMY helicopters aboard Navy carriers and Marine “Harrier Carriers” it is almost certainly “on”
If we see ARMY helicopters aboard Navy carriers and Marine “Harrier Carriers” it is almost certainly “on”
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I wouldn't be surprised if it's happening. Steve just started to get pushed in my feed again and everytime he gets pushed it's about 1-3 days till something happens.
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Ok, so trying to get caught up here. If action does occur, what's the military objective for using force?
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Well, the tactical objective is to kill or arrest (the military can't act as a police force right) Maduro and let the legitimate elected politician assume power. (I forget his name)
The strategic objective is to tell various dictators (russia, china, iran and others) to get the hell out of our backyard. IMO
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There is none, and almost certainly will be none. It’s a force projection exercises to put pressure on Maduro and give marines and sailors something to do rather Sailing alligators in open ocean.
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I hope you are right, but I think you are wrong. We should know fairly soon. You can't' keep a force like that deployed for too long without risking operational malaise setting in. IMO
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The marines are doing readiness drills in PR and sailors are sailing. It hasn’t been two weeks yet
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Whilst I agree with the sentiment, it then makes it very difficult to criticise China (other US enemies are available) if they decide to do the same in the South China Sea.
No it’s easy for US to do it. It just makes it hard to convince them (China Russia)
I like your sentiment though. However we (The USA) have used force to protect all of the Americas from becoming colony’s. Because we are so big and so successful everyone forgets the USA was a colony until we fought our way free in two separate wars.
We decided, unilaterally, that we would be the sole arbiters of what is allowed in North and South America. To the countries in the central and southern Americas as much as you might resent our interference (it’s really bad) just how bad do you think you would be if some assholes like the British came along and colonized you, addicted your entire population to LEGAL crack and meth that only they could sell you? Al la The Subcontinent ?
The USA hypocrite or savior, possibly both?
Over the years we kicked the Spanish out (by arms) the English out (with tremendous difficulty by arms and threats) and the French out (with threats) from the “New World” For its part Portugal looked around, licked its wounds, packed it in and left. The only colonial remnants are small islands that are generally not worth the US going to war over, serve our interests and are convenient.
Meanwhile, we mess with everyone else in the rest of the world. How we can claim the Americas are only for Americans but the south China sea is for everybody? Well hints in the name and we are just acting like the British while a former Colony turned emerging super power rises to challenge US.
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So, you believe the US is just going to show force and not use it. You could be right especially with the current administrations statements of not getting involved in any more regime change military operations. I think it's going to depend on what maduro does. Guess time will tell.
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Guess this is what it's all about. 
347 pests? What's that all about?
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Pretty much yes, that’s based on current admin’s reluctance to get involved in any type of nation building or regime change operations. That doesn’t mean we won’t see some potentially large interdiction incidents.
Trumps not opposed to using force, but he is very reluctant to get tied down or even attempting regime change operations.
That I believe is in keeping with his reluctance to escalate involvement in Ukraine. Other than temporarily or talked about reductions in weapons to Ukraine. His actual direct aid and involvement with the Ukraine Russian war hasn’t really changed from Biden’s. Although he opening to use of US long range munitions being used directly against targets in Russia.
His various attempts to bring about a negotiated settlement have not worked to any significant degree.
It is this that leads me to my conclusions regarding Venezuela.
He’s just trying to make supporting or being a conduit for them unprofitable.
Profit after all directs most decisions people in power make.
On a side note time is running out in Ukraine. A peace settlement does not seem to be in the cards. I was never positive it would be. But to not try would have been criminal. The potential destruction an escalation in Ukraine is something western societies are not prepared for. So where the Ukraine Russian war goes is anyone’s guess. There are news reports, unsourced, that the Macron government sent a confidential memo to hospitals in France telling them to prepare for battlefield casualties by the spring of next year. It wasn’t sourced so I didn’t link it.
But it has certainly left me with an empty pit in my stomach.
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And there you go,
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Rubio: "As @potus just announced moments ago, today the U.S. military conducted a lethal strike in the southern Carribean against a drug vessel which had departed from Venezuela and was being operated by a designated narco-terrorist organization."
@DEFCON Warning System @RiffRaff @Irag8er @7gtz @Torch
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Well, they're not calling it Venezuelan. It depends on what Maduro will say.
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Honestly the drugs-trafficking argument seems like a smoke screen for other intentions. Venezuela is not a significant cocaine producer, and most of the cocaine produced in neighboring Colombia seems to flow through Mexico or up the Pacific Coast, not through Venezuela.
I'm not convinced we're after the oil given the it's poor quality. This feels like this is either 1 one 2 things. It could be a foot in the door attempt to oust Maduro (not a vital US interest nor consistent with Trump's 2024 election positions). Or it's a play to limit or eliminate Russian and Chinese influence there. What other reasons could there be and is it really necessary?
I'm not convinced we're after the oil given the it's poor quality. This feels like this is either 1 one 2 things. It could be a foot in the door attempt to oust Maduro (not a vital US interest nor consistent with Trump's 2024 election positions). Or it's a play to limit or eliminate Russian and Chinese influence there. What other reasons could there be and is it really necessary?