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US Military Build-Up Near Venezuela | DISCUSSIONS

teekay99 said:
I'm not convinced we're after the oil given the it's poor quality. This feels like this is either 1 one 2 things. It could be a foot in the door attempt to oust Maduro (not a vital US interest nor consistent with Trump's 2024 election positions). Or it's a play to limit or eliminate Russian and Chinese influence there. What other reasons could there be and is it really necessary?
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What if we just take it at face value. The dickhead (whether he run an actual cartel or not) allows and encourages the use of his country as a transshipment point.

Maybe, just maybe, we want to slow down drugs getting to America. We put a huge dent in it following the invasion of Panama and the arrest and trial of Noriega.

Drug levels might have taken as much as a couple of months to get back up.

My mentor at the time, answered my question as to why we bothered to get Noriega when he would be replaced, fast. He said “ Do ya wipe y’re butt when you eliminate solid waste?”
< obviously not what he said. Please feel free to translate for yourselves>

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We the USA are not raising tensions in the Caribbean because we suddenly have the military there. The reason the US military is in and over the Caribbean is because we have states and territories in the Caribbean and around it. It’s not new. Somebody is just nervous (perhaps rightly)
 
Torch said:
We the USA are not raising tensions in the Caribbean because we suddenly have the military there. The reason the US military is in and over the Caribbean is because we have states and territories in the Caribbean and around it. It’s not new. Somebody is just nervous (perhaps rightly)
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Or it is actually drugs

and the Maduro gov is invested in it by appointing the leader of the cartel to suns to lead the fight against Venezuela’s drug manufacturing and trafficking problems.
 
GBS61 said:
oil, oil, oil...USA, a country hungry for oil, the reasons given are false, nothing new in that.
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The USA is a net exporter of hydrocarbons. No need for the quite poor quality cude in Venezuela, especially with the sure to be insurgency.

I think we will kill or capture him because he pisses us off and it a hard line against any more China involvement under Trumps watch.

I’m probably wrong. 😉
 
Torch said:
The USA is a net exporter of hydrocarbons. No need for the quite poor quality cude in Venezuela, especially with the sure to be insurgency.

I think we will kill or capture him because he pisses us off and it a hard line against any more China involvement under Trumps watch.

I’m probably wrong. 😉
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Time and place of OUR choosing. Gotta let psych people have their fun first. (y)
 
So is it war or military strikes? There is a difference in substance as to how this issue is being framed and discussed.
Any President based upon the 73 war powers act has the discretionary authority to launch limited military strikes or even incursions into a foreign nation. And almost every president since has exercised this authority, even Carter.

It might help the discussion to keep this in mind and what is being proposed or suggested.

Going to war with Venezuela is virtually off the table because;
1st their is no justifiable cause to go to war and 2nd Congress and the nation would not go along with it.

But Will we launch military strikes inside Venezuela, maybe. How and what Maduro says behind closed doors will likely be the determining factor.

Depreciating the cartels influence and weakening Maduro seem like a logical win for the US. But I don’t have all the data. Maybe it’s smoke and mirrors maybe what’s happening with the cartels is a clear and escalating danger.

It’s not Oil though, for it to be oil it would almost certainly have to be regime change. And within the context of the War powers act regime change is almost certain not going to happen.

We have good relations, and tenuous relations with Venezuelas neighbors. We do not need to create a regional guerrilla war in Latin America. And I highly doubt it is on the Trump administrations dance card. That would be in keeping with his demonstrated use of US military force thus far.
Audacious in how it was done and what weapons systems used. But also very limited in their scope. From fifty Tomahawks launched at a Syrian air field to the B-2 bombing of the underground facility in Iran. With no follow on attacks or entanglement.

So full blown war with regime change as it’s end, not so much,
Limited military strikes, still possible.
 
OReid said:
It’s not Oil though, for it to be oil it would almost certainly have to be regime change. And within the context of the War powers act regime change is almost certain not going to happen.

We have good relations, and tenuous relations with Venezuelas neighbors. We do not need to create a regional guerrilla war in Latin America. And I highly doubt it is on the Trump administrations dance card. That would be in keeping with his demonstrated use of US military force thus far.
Audacious in how it was done and what weapons systems used. But also very limited in their scope. From fifty Tomahawks launched at a Syrian air field to the B-2 bombing of the underground facility in Iran. With no follow on attacks or entanglement.

So full blown war with regime change as it’s end, not so much,
Limited military strikes, still possible.
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I have to agree with this somewhat. I don't see a full-blown war developing out of this. However, I do see this in line with the maximum pressure campaign that the United States has been waging against the Maduro regime for the past several years. Perhaps there's some intelligence that indicates that Maduro's hold on power is slipping. A threat of military action by the United States might be enough to make him decide that fleeing the country is in his best interest. I could also see a very limited military strike to destabilize his grip on power as well.

I'm just hoping that this is the case. The people of Venezuela deserve much better.
 
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