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US, UK, Australia AUKUS (Nuclear Sub Agreement) General News

Torch said:
We need four years to re-arm ourselves and NATOwith F-35’s and four (five really) years to get Australia lined out with fighters and most importantly subs. We need them lined out so freaking bad that we are giving three new or brand new nuclear subs (think of it as two program cars and one “new sub smell” straight from the dealership) all Virginia Class (the newest).

Completely unprecedented and never before done, transfers of nuclear submarines to an ally.
(I would not do it. The way those governments work a 30% minority of communist or worse socialists (that are really communists that just say they are just socialist) take control of the government.

It could happen overnight and bam you can see the Chinese climbing all over our fucking subs or even taking one home with them. I have no problem helping them build their own but I’d be very hesitant to dig that deep, be that desperate, to trust that kind of parliamentary democracy.

Not debating whether it’s a great form of democracy, as It may be. But it’s extremely volatile and since it’s not ours I don’t trust it. (If it was ours, I really wouldn’t trust it! So don’t take it personal Australia)
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The deal for US subs for delivery by the 2040s is to cost Australia $368 billion. Because Australia's present French built Collin's class subs have a projected end of life in the 2030s , the US has agreed to loan it 3 subs until delivery of the purchase in the 2040s. It's just a part of the deal the US offered as an alternative for Australia buying French nuclear subs.
 
Ben Dhyani said:
The deal for US subs for delivery by the 2040s is to cost Australia $368 billion. Because Australia's present French built Collin's class subs have a projected end of life in the 2030s , the US has agreed to loan it 3 subs until delivery of the purchase in the 2040s. It's just a part of the deal the US offered as an alternative for Australia buying French nuclear subs.
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I’m aware of that. The USA is not Hertz Rent a Car. We have never given this to any countryz (and while you’re right it’s technically a loan they’re gonna be given the keys to an armed nuclear submarine).

I think it shows our trust in the Australians, our desperation when we war game China and our commitment to forming the UAUKUSA triad.

PS did I mention China is gonna be a bitch to beat? And we’ve got a lot more problems than subs.

From what I can tell most Australia is actually living in a state of disbelief. For some reason they think the Chinese will leave them alone. I wouldn’t be surprised if Australia was number two on Chinas to do list,

Australia definitely has the number one thing China wants: arable land. The US will only serve as a distraction since invasion is out for a number of reasons including the fact that we’re completely ungovernable with 600,000,000+ private weapons. Australia though, has very thoughtfully gone ahead and disarmed itself and used a home castration kit on its military.

My2¢ YMMV

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Torch said:
I’m aware of that. The USA is not Hertz Rent a Car. We have never given (and while you’re right it’s technically a lone they’re gonna be given the keys to an armed nuclear submarine) this to any country. I think it shows our trust in the Australians are desperation when we were game China in our commitment to forming the UAUKUSA triad.

PS did I mention China is gonna be a bitch to beat? And we’ve got a lot more problems than subs. From what I can tell most Australia is actually living in a state of disbelief. For some reason they think the Chinese will leave them alone. I wouldn’t be surprised if Australia was number two on the list of priorities and definitely the number one thing they want: space. The US is out other than distraction attacks for a number of reasons that everyone here is aware of including the fact that we’re completely ungovernable with 600,000,000 private weapons. Australia though, has very thoughtfully gone ahead and disarmed itself and used a home castration kit on its military.

My2¢ YMMV

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Perhaps so, I am sure Australia relies on the US as being its main defender in the event of any Chinese military adventurism in this area.
 
Yingyang said:
Most Aussies think that. I for one don't at all. America can't stop China from taking Australia.
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They may stop China under certain circumstances, but for sure America would have its own priorities that under certain circumstances would include not coming to our defence. Fwiw, I would suggest tho that having Pine Gap satellite coms listening and recon station and NW Cape sub vlf coms station and 16 other military bases here would provide some reasons to make it worth defending from the US pov, apart from being buddies.
 
DarkNoon said:
ICYMI: The sale of #nuclear-powered submarines to #Australia under the AUKUS treaty faces new doubts as #US President Donald Trump’s tariffs take hold, and amid concern in Washington that providing the subs to Canberra may reduce deterrence to China.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1910301739384717359
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I think it makes sense to be cautious. Think about this: The war with China is going to be such a near thing that we have war gamed and found 3 subs make the difference. Man that is to damn close.

This could be easily solved if we took the USAUK to an autonomous treaty organization similar to NATO. Then you would have a guaranteed central command and assets could be in the right place at the right time. On top of that it would ensure for the Australians that the US would come to their defense. Heck you do that by stationing the headquarters in Australia.

Guam’s gonna be overflowing we could always use some air filters in Australia to stage bombers the more airfields the better because they’re all gonna get hit on day one.

The US the UK in the AU should be building some breeds and missile rage extenders (man and man aircraft) at the fastest speed possible. it won’t happen but it should.

My 2¢ YMMV
 
Torch said:
I think it makes sense to be cautious. Think about this: The war with China is going to be such a near thing that we have war gamed and found 3 subs make the difference. Man that is to damn close.
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It will be the deadliest game of back and forth ping pong to ever take place. And the pong balls will be those subs. IMHO a near peer or peer naval conflict will quickly develop into a game of missile interception and trade interdiction. The time for massive naval battles in sight of their foes seem completely unrealistic to me. So in the scale that we are able to effectively produce naval vessels it makes sense that they are cautious. They also may be seeing it more reasonable to hook AUS up with some of these armed UUV's that we have been field testing.
 
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Peter Griffin said:
It will be the deadliest game of back and forth ping pong to ever take place. And the pong balls will be those subs. IMHO a near peer or peer naval conflict will quickly develop into a game of missile interception and trade interdiction. The time for massive naval battles in sight of their foes seem completely unrealistic to me. So in the scale that we are able to effectively produce naval vessels it makes sense that they are cautious. They also may be seeing it more reasonable to hook AUS up with some of these armed USVS that we have been field testing.
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Not to mention, they look about as menacing as you can get. Probably would do a pretty good job of making the PLA shit their pants if they actually saw one.

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AUKUS / ASA leadership Change. ASA Director-General VADM Jonathan Mead says he will leave in mid 2026, adding the submarine program is meeting milestones toward Submarine Rotational Force West readiness in late 2027. Leadership transition is planned while keeping delivery timelines on track.

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Australia’s Defence Minister Richard Marles says Canberra has received the Pentagon’s long awaited review of the AUKUS nuclear powered submarine pact and is “working through” its findings. He said Washington is “fully supportive” of AUKUS and that the review is intended to refine and strengthen how the trilateral partnership is implemented rather than scale it back.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1996572144197677319
 
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Rolls Royce Submarines has signed a long term “Capability Assured Strategic Partnership” worth up to £400 million with Assystem, AtkinsRealis and Frazer-Nash to expand UK defence nuclear engineering capacity.

The partnership supports reactor production for future Royal Navy submarines, including the AUKUS attack submarine programme, and is tied to plans to roughly double the size of the Derby nuclear site and create more than 1,000 skilled jobs.

This is a structural increase in UK and allied nuclear submarine output, reinforcing NATO’s long-term undersea posture in the North Atlantic and Indo-Pacific.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1998061254380814579
 
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