• Guests may view all public nodes. However, you must be registered to post.

Would America defend Europe if....?

Friendly Engineer

Friendly Engineer

Power Poster IV
Joined
Jan 2, 2022
Location
England
If say, for example, in a couple of years the Russians decide to invade one of the baltic states, would America come and defend them?
What do you guys think?

Personally I'm not so sure these days.
 
Dr Arthur said:
I agree. I have grave doubts on the USA ability or desire to effectively intervene.
Click to expand...
...and that right there is the problem, because Putin might think that too.

UK & Europe would definitely intervene, so the question he'd ask is could he outlast the Europeans? Would they be willing to face many war casualties over the Baltics?
 
"Would America defend Europe if....? No. Never. Not anymore. Short of Russia royaly fucking up and killing American troops by accident in any confrontation with Europe US has given that up. If that is not clear to people, people need to wake up. It's over. Just not on papper yet.

Any test by Putin on NATO will very carefully avoid accidental American deaths so no justification of US involvement.
 
DarkNoon said:
"Would America defend Europe if....? No. Never. Not anymore. Short of Russia royaling fucking up and killing American troops by accident in any confrontation with Europe US has given that up. If that is not clear to people, people need to wake up. It's over. Just not on papper yet.

Any test by Putin on NATO will very carefully avoid accidental American deaths so no justification of US involvement.
Click to expand...
Again we’re looking at this in the short scale of time and its supposed constraints.

Would Russia try and retake the Baltics is the first question.
If they did why did they choose this corse?
Just like with the question of why Russia decided to invade Ukraine. Russia began the boarder war and ultimately invaded Ukraine in response to Yanukovych being deposed.

Is that situation going to repeat in the Baltics. Likely not and if it were to how much time would be needed to recognize the buildup or escalation of boarder conflicts.

So if nato wants to avoid a war with Russia with or without the US then they better be choosing good policies now.

Once again I’ll point to this reality. Who was responding with significant weapons packages to Ukraine in 2017 through 2020. It wasn’t Britain’s Germany or France.
  • Javelin anti-tank guided missiles (saleannounced 2017; deliveries began 2018after approval; hundreds sent over time)armscontrol.org
  • Stinger man-portable air-defense systems(drawdowns and transfers across thisperiod; replenishment contracts cited2018–2019) war.gov
  • 155 mm artillery pieces and 155 mmammunition (U.S. provided M777 howitzersand significant quantities of 155mm roundsbeginning in 2018–2019) kyivpost.com
  • Counter-battery / artillery radars, tacticalreconnaissance equipment, andcommunications equipment (multiplesecurity assistance packages 2017–2019)Wikipedia1
  • Small arms, machine guns, ammunition,body armor and non‑lethal equipment(ongoing deliveries and assistanceprograms 2017–2019)

Through 2014 -15 aid to Ukraine from all of nato was almost exclusively was non-lethal and small arms. So do the math it wasn’t the US who was late to the party.

If you want peace prepare for war, that’s the best advise I can give you.
 
Yingyang said:
Well America is a nato country so i see a bit of assistsnce. Than again it would go nuclear regardless so , makes no difference.
Click to expand...
You can’t say, that’s just fear mongering
 
There are still 75000-90000 US forces in nato. How large of infantry does Britain or Germany have? When is Germany going to finish fitting out there reorganized 1st panzer division 2027?
Is Europe really this destitute they can’t even raise an army.
 
Publius said:
You can’t say, that’s just fear mongering
Click to expand...
Do you have an argument that proves or validates a major land war in Europe will in fact demand an escalation too nuclear war. Or is it just an assumed result.

Our whole perception or assumption of a major war between Europe/nato and Russia would result in a major nuclear war is based upon 60 years of a unproven hypothesis.

Is this assumption a result of caution or capitulation and surrender.
Either way your arguing against human nature.
 
Publius said:
Do you have an argument that proves or validates a major land war in Europe will in fact demand an escalation too nuclear war. Or is it just an assumed result.

Our whole perception or assumption of a major war between Europe/nato and Russia would result in a major nuclear war is based upon 60 years of a unproven hypothesis.

Is this assumption a result of caution or capitulation and surrender.
Either way your arguing against human nature.
Click to expand...
What do you understand about human nature? Humans have different natures. Unfortunately we rely on some /a few, not to use them. Do you comment first?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom