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Can Europe take care of itself by itself realistically?

Can Europe take care of itself by itself?

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 47.8%

  • No

    Votes: 12 52.2%
  • Total voters
    23
Yingyang said:
Yes the west had a good run longer than most
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It's not really even a competition. We don't even need to walk to stay ahead in terms of the amount of fire power/assets we have compared to the rest of the entire world.

Do you not understand the scope and size of the US and West military assets and capabilities??? Does not even come close if you added everyone military up everywhere else.

We don't need to run. We already at the top and not leaving anytime in our lifetimes because as always we are only going to go up in terms of progress militarily and fiscally.
 
Yingyang said:
You fool. Like wow believe what you want.🙄😔😏
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Yep I'll stick to the facts and numbers on papper. ;)

@RiffRaff has mentioned exactly this many times. The US military outsizes everyone else by a landslide & not a single country is even close to matching us or if you add everyone else up together still no match in numbers and capabilities.
 
DarkNoon said:
Yep I'll stick to the facts and numbers on papper. ;)

@RiffRaff has mentioned exactly this many times. The US military outsizes everyone else by a landslide & not a single country is even close to matching us or if you add everyone else up together still no match in numbers and capabilities.
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Yet beaten in so many countries by less in all areas you refer to. Why?
 
DarkNoon said:
Lack of commitment from congress, not lack of military power.
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If the US got itself together we could of won hands down Vietnam, Korea, & Afghanistan. Just we didn't want to stick it out or get our hands bloody enough,... ontop of Congress always restricting what is truly needed to win a war.

We have never lost a war due to lack of military power. We lose due to lack of intrest in following through our indevers and a lack of a strong congress.
 
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War is just an extension of political stance. Now back on topic.

I did a study in college about Europe and how they could power the entire area with concentrated solar. You would have to dedicate an area the size of Ireland to do this.
 
lcurle said:
War is just an extension of political stance. Now back on topic.

I did a study in college about Europe and how they could power the entire area with concentrated solar. You would have to dedicate an area the size of Ireland to do this.
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Would have to be in southern Europe where they get the most sun. Can't place it in Northern Africa because Africa way to unstable to put somthing so critical to everyday life for Europe.
 
DarkNoon said:
Would have to be in southern Europe where they get the most sun. Can't place it in Africa because Africa way to unstable to put somthing so critical to everyday life in Europe.
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Agreed, my study was completed back in 2008, so I am certain advances in photovoltaic technology have advanced to make it more efficient.
 
DarkNoon said:
Lack of commitment not lack of military power duh. U.S. own enemy is itself.
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Ok . Good answer. Like it. So I guess my point is your country will be hardest to defeat conventionally and your military power has and is the best homeland security in the world as your general population has the most weapons aswell. As far world power influence and capability goes it isn't what it was. Your leaders both country and military are aware of this but general public are not. I see a big difference between public opinion and military action in recent times. Don't you? The west has dropped the ball . Otherwise Russia and China should never have achieved so much in individual areas. Eg. Russia now Americans attitude would or should be lets kick their ass now. Before this goes any further.
Same goes for China the true global threat, look how much they have accomplished illegally-south China sea militarily. Let alone legally-economically and military growth. Don't worry I'm concerned about shit you don't want to see,believe or accept as possible. But some beliefs are out dated eg. No one wins a nuclear war. Probably example of one which you believe America could win. At the end of the day the winner will be the one with highest population count that survived. This is determined by public access to purpose built bunkers. Of which China and Russia have for nuclear scenario. In saying this end game is China wins simply on geographic position. Yes still in northern hemisphere but after the dust settles and their mass population compared to other countries raise their heads out and see its effect. China will be line for Australia . Fastest and safest recovery-rejuvenation-repopulation . Those in northern hemisphere without such plans will dramatically suffer in numbers and opportunities for long term in the short term. Now considering I'm wrong about China looking at Southern hemisphere for survival. I'm not wrong on Southern hemisphere comparison to northern. To help you understand me a little better. 1. My awareness. Eg. Australia is screwed militarily wise and no country can help stop this. Not even America.
2. Sense of humour. For your convenience.
Morrison our so called leader 😅
Received support in verbal recognition from Japan over laser incident recently involving China pointing at ADF.
My comment- Morrison thanks Japanese support against Chinese aggression by saying Australia knows they can count on Japan for support especially considering how quickly you could be on our shores. 😅 inappropriate yes but if it took Japan about a month to get here in ww2 . I can only imagine China could do the same now.
Just like Germany fast move through Europe. Russia can do the same. So why is the west risking such repeats in both theatres.?🤔🙄😒🧐😤
 
Yingyang said:
As far world power influence and capability goes it isn't what it was.
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Your right it is much better now. USA still only true superpower left. ONLY America is capable of deploying and winning a initial war anywhere in the world from Africa, Asia, South America. No other country can claim total military readiness to deploy anywhere at anytime in the world. @RiffRaff has also mentioned this. I am only repeating what I have read from staff here.
 
DarkNoon said:
Your right it is much better now. USA still only true superpower left. ONLY America is capable of deploying and winning a initial war anywhere in the world from Africa, Asia, South America. No other country can claim total military readiness to deploy anywhere at anytime in the world. @RiffRaff has also mentioned this. I am only repeating what I have read from staff here.
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Even Putin himself said Russia is a regional power. Somthing wrong with you if you think China is anywhere near superpower status. China doesn't even aim to be superpower, China just wants to be most powerful on the block not the whole stage.

America only country in the entire world capable of fighting anywhere at anytime in the whole wide world period full stop.
 
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DarkNoon said:
If you are suggesting US blew up it's own shit on it's own soil please stop posting nonsense conspiracy theories. These forums are for serious manners.

If US wanted to stop its oil production why blow it up? Just say it was hacked and shutdown instead of destroying pricy infrastructures? Come one get some common sense.
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Little green men? We have no idea who has snuck in this country. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...r-worse-than-official-numbers-show/ar-AAMzqSc
Cyber?
 
Actually considering some Americans education, national pride and belief i have no issues personally. As it is truly understandable. And in the best interests of your country it has done just as much good as it has damage. I call that balance. Anyway each to their own . You can keep your fingers crossed. I choose to recognise change even if it doesn't suit me.
 
DarkNoon said:
Even Putin himself said Russia is a regional power. Somthing wrong with you if you think China is anywhere near superpower status. China doesn't even aim to be superpower, China just wants to be most powerful on the block not the whole stage.

America only country in the entire world capable of fighting anywhere at anytime in the whole wide world period full stop.
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And that my friend is how we got to where we are today. Thankyou. But would have could have doesn't matter didn't is the outcome. Is the same as my take for Russia and China. Difference is if they can they regionally without political interference. And when they do you'll have a better understanding of your perception of global superpower.
 
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