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Chernobyl Nuclear Plant | March - 2022

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Other sources https://www.republicworld.com/world...d-to-rise-in-radiation-level-articleshow.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...on-levels-Chernobyl-stop-sending-signals.html (this article is the oldest one, but the first indicator that possible trouble was brewing)

https://nypost.com/2022/03/09/ukraine-nuclear-company-warns-of-chernobyl-radiation-risk/

So, the IAEA says everything is OK? Question--how in the hell do they know that when they are not in there, on the scene because there is still fighting going on in the area??? And, since the monitors are off line??? There's no way in hell that they know anything at all. Don't fall for the lies. Just use common sense.
 
Train said:
This is a very serious situation, yes - hell, maybe the reason they've done this is because of that alleged "dirty bomb" they thought Ukraine were making at Chernobyl.

There's a thread here from a guy with a degree in nuclear physics from Cambridge, I think it does a good job of explaining it.
But still - there's much that could go wrong here. I don't know what to believe anymore.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1501528837221494790
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That so called Cambridge nelson fellow is lying!!!! First, I did a data research of alumni NOTHING THERE. No one with mark nelson name. Secondly, the newest fuel rods are less than 10 years old--not 22 Thirdly, you cannot expose fuel rods to air. Why?? My spelling is terrible, but the casing (or rods) that contains the uranium fuel pellets is Zercononium (terrible spelling) Zercononium reacts with air and can cause spontaneous combustion. The nuclear industry is one of the most corrupt, secretive, and underhanded industries in the entire world. You'll get more truth out of a pathological liar. I know it sounds like I"m one of those anti-nuclear folks, but I"m not.
 
How old the reactor rods are depends on perspective. By that I mean not when they came out and went to the pond. That is certainly less than 22 years. But is it from when they went in the reactor originally.
Which date is more important I can’t honestly say.
The rods from 1-3 are stored in the cooling pond along with spent fuel from other reactors. It is the largest or one of largest storage sites in Ukraine.
So we have a cooling pond with various ages of material for containment and cooling.

I looked up the flow rate for this cooling pond. 8-12 mgd. Depending on the season and evaporation and seepage. (Paper linked below)
It’s buried down in the paper you can wade through it if you want, it’s a boring read.

My thoughts 8-12 mgd could be handled by 2 or 3 portable diesel pumps. I work around them and there workhorses, do the job and are reliable.
Also the sight surely has a generator back up.
So the only concern would be to keep diesel to it.
Even with the logistical issues Russia seems to be having they surly would put a priority on this because it kinda imperative to their ally to the north, Belarus.
Even if they ran out for a day or two and had no inflow with the late winter temps those ponds aren’t going to evaporate off in a short period of time.


The nuclear slag pile of reactor four is not cooled with water it sets in the sub basement in a mix of melted uranium steel and concrete pile. Water isn’t fed to it because it leaks into the ground. So it’s cooled like an explosion proof electric motor. It just radiates the heat away through the massively oversized containment building.

If it’s completely ignored and never seen to yeah the pond could be problematic but I don’t believe it’s an immediate threat.
 
I do hope that you are right, Obrid. Chernobyl, although off line itself is basically the switching station now for the electrical distribution, along with the holding area for other plants in operation. Meaning, none of us would know how long those rods from other plants are or have been there. The only thing I've been able to find is the pond contains somewhere around 20,000 rods. The ponds are, making the conversion, in the neighborhood of 20 ft. deep The water does two things--it cools (that's the most important one) and the water also acts as a barrier, (or in other words a shield)

Now, here's the bad part, as the water evaporates from the heat of the rods, you lose both barrier protection, and cooling, which increases the chances of radiation leakage. When the water is boiled off and the casings are damaged, exposing the zerconoium (terrible spelling) and it gets exposed to air, that's where you have the greatest possibility of spontaneous combustion. I did the figuring, taking your figure of the 8-12 mgd, taking the lowest number of 8 million gallons a day, divided by 24 (hrs) giving 333,333 gallons per hour. Taking the gallon per hr rate, dividing by 60 (equaling minutes) comes to 5,555.55 gallons a minute.
Here comes the logistics needed.

Now, there's probably larger apparatus made out there that I don't know about, but a larger fire apparatus generally had the capability of delivering 1,500 gallons a minute. It would take a minimum of 4 fire apparatus, to meet the demand, 18-- 2.5 inch lines going to the pond, being held in place by what is called the old term was deck gun and it would take 7 of them, because in old school (my years) there were only 3-2.5 inch connections for each gun. Now, here's where it gets interesting--Pump panel pressure would need to be at least 150 psi discharge, plus figuring in friction loss through the lines to the discharge nozzle. The amount of friction loss would depend upon the length needed to be from apparatus to pond, and of course, the apparatus has to have a water supply.

Look on Google earth to get a layout of the area. Even though the Pripyat river is close by, it's not close enough, unless the design of the original layout had what are called 'dry hydrants" meaning they have to be hooked to an apparatus to draft the water, getting it to the pump for discharge. So, again, even pumping in a relay fashion from the river you'd have to have a minimum of 4 additional pumpers to accomplish that.

A process somewhat similar to that was successful at Fukushima, but there were differences. #1 the cooling pool area was smaller in size and the most important one of all was the FD was not being attacked upon, like it was at the other plant the other day.

So, let's face the reality. Unless someone gives the order, so the needed logistics could even get there, do you seriously think that's going to happen? Go figure. And with what's gone on so far with firemen being attacked, at the other plant, I think you already know the answer to that one without me even saying anything.

The only possible saving grace is hopefully Putin will order a cease fire so the incoming service can be repaired before the fuel runs out. And, the portable pumps is not a reality--that's a deception factor to deceive the general public. If nothing else, maybe I've given an idea as to what a huge logistical operation it would be.
 
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alphaecho said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1502003240476581892
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I just saw this on mainstream media as well. Fox News. Also from people on the ground reporting, they say up until now only Russian troops have had any control/handling of facility and they have no expertise with nuclear plants. Obviously the latter part is not confirmed beyond their on the ground reports, so take it with a cup of NaCl
 
Soldiereye said:
I just saw this on mainstream media as well. Fox News. Also from people on the ground reporting, they say up until now only Russian troops have had any control/handling of facility and they have no expertise with nuclear plants. Obviously the latter part is not confirmed beyond their on the ground reports, so take it with a cup of NaCl
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Now, I will only ask one question. If power is restored, why are there no lights at the facility Why are the radiation monitors still off inside the plant, outside of the plant and also the ones that are further away.

Naturally, I do hope that power has been restored. But, like I've stated so many times in the past few days, check for yourself. The ambassador for Ukraine is not reporting (yet) that power has been restored.
 
As of this time stamp 1800 EST there are about 6 hours of fuel left. Here is the link of the press conference from the head of the IAEA. Although he's nothing but a babbling idiot, listen closely to what he says and you will discover that he says the situation is deteriorating, and the cooling pools require water circulation and that there are 20,000 rods in those pools. In other words, everything that I've been saying is now verified by the head of the IAEA. And, just think--yesterday, he said that everything is just fine--nothing to worry about. Go figure. Why did he change his tune??? I'll make the prediction that radiation leakage is probably already occurring and other countries will pick up the missing information in a few days. Fast forward to 5 minutes Listen carefully.
 
TCharley300 said:
As of this time stamp 1800 EST there are about 6 hours of fuel left. Here is the link of the press conference from the head of the IAEA. Although he's nothing but a babbling idiot, listen closely to what he says and you will discover that he says the situation is deteriorating, and the cooling pools require water circulation and that there are 20,000 rods in those pools. In other words, everything that I've been saying is now verified by the head of the IAEA. And, just think--yesterday, he said that everything is just fine--nothing to worry about. Go figure. Why did he change his tune??? I'll make the prediction that radiation leakage is probably already occurring and other countries will pick up the missing information in a few days. Fast forward to 5 minutes Listen carefully.
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Well all I can say is there is a severe radiological incident it will squarely be on Russian shoulders
 
Sneer said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1502279900727857155

What do you guys think? If they do plan to carry out a terrorist attack, would it just be for "show" or would they risk spilling radioactive disaster to prove a point?
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I think there is a difference between (1) advocating information operations warfare to discredit your enemy, aka Russia, and (2) actually believing your information operatons campaigns are true. When we live in a closed-loop information society (whether it is the West or Russia), with most of our media and social media telling us narratives they want us to hear, we have the danger of actually believing that is fact. Anything from "________ (fill-in-the-blank) intelligence" should be assumed as information operations, unless there is some other independent confirmation. Believing the narrative campaigns (without proof) can make us both overestimate the brutality, stupidity, recklessness of the enemy, while also underestimating their competency. Intelligence agencies are looking to manipulate; that's part of their job. But we also have a choice on that as well. We can believe Russia is cruel and ruthless and also not believe every narrative "intelligence" agencies throw at us, without verification.
 
REALHumanRights said:
I think there is a difference between (1) advocating information operations warfare to discredit your enemy, aka Russia, and (2) actually believing your information operatons campaigns are true. When we live in a closed-loop information society (whether it is the West or Russia), with most of our media and social media telling us narratives they want us to hear, we have the danger of actually believing that is fact. Anything from "________ (fill-in-the-blank) intelligence" should be assumed as information operations, unless there is some other independent confirmation. Believing the narrative campaigns (without proof) can make us both overestimate the brutality, stupidity, recklessness of the enemy, while also underestimating their competency. Intelligence agencies are looking to manipulate; that's part of their job. But we also have a choice on that as well. We can believe Russia is cruel and ruthless and also not believe every narrative "intelligence" agencies throw at us, without verification.
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Agreed, I can’t take Russia’s claims too seriously for a couple of reasons.
1. I would hope that if there were actual US/Ukraine bio weapons labs in in the month leading up to this someone would be smart enough to remove or incinerate the dam things.
2. The story of bat and avian dispersed is cut just a little too much from the COVID evolution. The claim is conveniently similar to recent events.
The UN bio weapons admin stated there has been no indications or proof of bio weapons research in Ukraine.
3 I find it hard in a nation like Ukraine Russia would not have already searched this possibility out years ago. Like when the pro Russian president was still in power.
Timings just to convenient

They provide some proof and international inspections that’s different
 
Obreid said:
Agreed, I can’t take Russia’s claims too seriously for a couple of reasons.
1. I would hope that if there were actual US/Ukraine bio weapons labs in in the month leading up to this someone would be smart enough to remove or incinerate the dam things.
2. The story of bat and avian dispersed is cut just a little too much from the COVID evolution. The claim is conveniently similar to recent events.
The UN bio weapons admin stated there has been no indications or proof of bio weapons research in Ukraine.
3 I find it hard in a nation like Ukraine Russia would not have already searched this possibility out years ago. Like when the pro Russian president was still in power.
Timings just to convenient

They provide some proof and international inspections that’s different
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However, there was a weird report on WHO late yesterday: "WHO says it advised Ukraine to destroy pathogens in health labs to prevent disease spread" - real-question WHY it was necessary for Ukraine to have "high-threat pathogens." I think that was really short-sighted. Ukraine had nothing better to do with its national resources, just 30 years after leaving the USSR, than to experiment with "high-threat pathogens"? That really sounds dumb and reckless, especially as they knew they had a security threat from Russia on their border.
www.channelnewsasia.com

WHO says it advised Ukraine to destroy pathogens in health labs to prevent disease spread

GENEVA: The World Health Organization advised Ukraine to destroy high-threat pathogens housed in the country's public health laboratories to prevent "any potential spills" that would spread disease among the population, the agency told Reuters on Thursday (Mar 10). Biosecurity experts say...
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"The World Health Organization advised Ukraine to destroy high-threat pathogens housed in the country's public health laboratories to prevent "any potential spills" that would spread disease among the population, the agency told Reuters on Thursday (Mar 10)." "In response to questions from Reuters about its work with Ukraine ahead of and during Russia's invasion, the WHO said in an email that it has collaborated with Ukrainian public health labs for several years to promote security practices that help prevent "accidental or deliberate release of pathogens." ""As part of this work, WHO has strongly recommended to the Ministry of Health in Ukraine and other responsible bodies to destroy high-threat pathogens to prevent any potential spills," the WHO, a United Nations agency, said." "The WHO would not say when it had made the recommendation nor did it provide specifics about the kinds of pathogens or toxins housed in Ukraine's laboratories. The agency also did not answer questions about whether its recommendations were followed."
www.channelnewsasia.com

WHO says it advised Ukraine to destroy pathogens in health labs to prevent disease spread

GENEVA: The World Health Organization advised Ukraine to destroy high-threat pathogens housed in the country's public health laboratories to prevent "any potential spills" that would spread disease among the population, the agency told Reuters on Thursday (Mar 10). Biosecurity experts say...
www.channelnewsasia.com www.channelnewsasia.com

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