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UA-RU | March 24th-26th | DISCUSSIONS

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Well, at least we didn't hear anything about that peacekeeping mission today
Yesterday the Secretary-General said NATO was not going to be on the ground in Ukraine because they wanted to avoid escalation, in response to being asked about the peacekeeping mission. I think he reiterated that today as well.
 
I agree that it is becoming more and more likely for a lot of the reasons you listed. I will add, that Putin has to know that if he does stop and decides to settle for just the Donbass and Crimea areas, that there is no way that he or Russia will be allowed back at the table for global discussions. Russia's place, especially if Putin remains in power, is diminished on the world stage. It has to be if any of it means anything any more. There are going to be war crimes waiting on him and all that goes with that. I think he knows this and may be playing out his end game scenario. That makes him dangerous I think.
As I said the other day here. They are making it clear to Putin that he cannot win. If it defeats Ukraine, then it loses with severe sanctions, if it accepts Donbass and neutrality, in addition to being that Russia failed to invade Ukraine, most sanctions would continue, two defeats. He cannot accept defeat, because it would be the end of him in office and he would be eliminated soon after. So he starts to think, I restore the fear about military power and I get a negotiation with the West that alleviates part of the sanctions, leaving only sanctions in areas of the Russian military and political sector, but freeing the rest of the economy. I can't win, but I can't lose. So I have to tie the game, there's only one way to tie the game. Use a tactical nuclear weapon and talk, great power negotiation or nuclear winter. I'm just seeing this way out for him.

As they said a few days ago here, when talking about chemical weapons, perhaps it was already fear of the use of tactical nuclear weapons. But how to say it openly. Then he said that NATO was preparing to respond to a chemical threat. But watching the war, chemical weapons may even defeat Ukraine, but they don't solve the problem of Russia becoming a pariah state.
 
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As I said the other day here. They are making it clear to Putin that he cannot win. If it defeats Ukraine, then it loses with severe sanctions, if it accepts Donbass and neutrality, in addition to being that Russia failed to invade Ukraine, most sanctions would continue, two defeats. He cannot accept defeat, because it would be the end of him in office and he would be eliminated soon after. So he starts to think, I restore the fear about military power and I get a negotiation with the West that alleviates part of the sanctions, leaving only sanctions in areas of the Russian military and political sector, but freeing the rest of the economy. I can't win, but I can't lose. So I have to tie the game, there's only one way to tie the game. Use a tactical nuclear weapon and talk, great power negotiation or nuclear winter. I'm just seeing this way out for him.
From the perspective of the energy companies they’ve possibly already lost. They might have so damaged their trade relations with Europe they won’t recover a fraction of the revenue they lost.
Then they also have to consider the tech and manufacturing suppliers they’ve lost access to.
 
From the perspective of the energy companies they’ve possibly already lost. They might have so damaged their trade relations with Europe they won’t recover a fraction of the revenue they lost.
Then they also have to consider the tech and manufacturing suppliers they’ve lost access to.
Precisely because the economic situation is very serious and cannot be reversed, only accepting a defeat and returning to Russia. Something unthinkable for Putin to accept. So he has to do something to force a deal that keeps the economy open. Russia wants time to switch buyers, with China and India as the main customers for natural gas and oil.
 
Posted the link in reports too. This is important to read hope it reaches all the viewers! Thanks to @RiffRaff for making a fantastic article about Alert Fatigue and the real problems it poses:
 
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That Russia is now referring to itself as facing threats to its very existence does concern me. They are starting to use the language that would provide a justification for crossing the nuclear threshold. Hopefully, I’m either reading too much into it, or it’s just a scare tactic.

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I have to pinch myself to make me believe this is all real life. Never thought I’d read this as the top headline on CNN.
Yeah. I was just thinking exactly the same. I felt a bit like that at times about some of the pandemic headlines and experiences as well, yet all that had become so normalised.
 
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Yeah. I was just thinking exactly the same. I felt a bit like that at times about some of the pandemic headlines and experiences as well, yet all that had become so normalised.
The news of the last few weeks is very reminiscent of the movie "The Day After" from 1983. Just change the names, Soviet Union for Russia, West Germany for Ukraine. The rest follows similarly. Increase in hostilities. In the film, the Russians invade West Germany and attacks with low-power nuclear weapons begin. Then 30 minutes to the end.
 
We all knew this would ultimately end in a nuclear war.
And there is no way out.
Well I for one don’t ‘know’ that. There are many ways out. At the current time, I think outcomes of the current crisis not involving use of a nuclear weapon are far more likely than the use of one - but that said, the probability has obviously increased in recent weeks.
 
Hey Rudemarine....
Yeah reporters can be as dumb as cold cat feces, I used to be one........

Anybody here ever consider..... with all thats going on any thoughts of what a birds eye view we are giving China of our operational tempo, logistics, and the entire picture of our projecting power....... I say this because of comments and speculation in another thread about how the French may have deployed the majority of their boomers ahead of tomorrow's meeting.....if the Chinese are smart... and they have a reputation of not being stupid , then they got to have some boats in the Med, others in the Atlantic and probably their OI and ELINT guys are working overtime watching how this unfolds.....it gives them a good view not only into what the US does but also in watching a number of NATO countries go to alert levels and operation tempos that have not been seen for a while.....only thing we have yet to see...is the Tic Tacs....
Regards.....

It doesn’t matter, the Clintons made sure the Chinese government had everything they wanted, right down to our advanced nuclear warhead designs. Biden and Co have probably been doing the same since they are ran by the same traitorous group of CIA Nazis! I know not all CIA are bad but a very powerful group inside the agency is and they have almost everyone in DC on their payroll or blackmail list.

Many Secret Service officers tried stopping Chinese Generals from leaving the Whitehouse on a regular basis with their brown bags of new found goodies but they were always told to stand down by Hillary herself and then Bill when they protested. Their is a reason they advanced as fast as they did and it’s the same reason why Hillary is never brought up on charges for the many deaths attributed to her.

The only thing that has been kept from them is our naval secrets! They are still modifying their old Russian subs and anything new isn’t close to what we have.

Any NATO sub will hear them a long way away. The only thing we need to worry about with China is the same thing with Russia, Missiles!! Thankfully we still have them outnumbered for awhile, yet their 1970s Silkworm cruise missile is still one of the most feared today because it just works and packs a lot of punch.

Any war with China will be a nuclear one because theirs just too many of them to shoot if any kind of ground war were to start. I think if anything, China is thinking long and hard about how screwed they will be if they tried to take back Taiwan. They know we will fight and half the world will be coming down on their heads at the same time. They will just be shooting them selves in the foot for little to gain.
 
More than likely, these are volunteers from outside of Ukraine being formed up and trained. Some of them look like they have handled a weapon before and have a strong military demeanor about them.

They have had to have 5 years prior military training to sign up, they smartly have an application for it. They don’t want people running around that will cause more harm then good for now. They definitely need to take their cell phones away and lock them up in a secure bank vault for as long as they are there because one guy turned on his phone, uploaded a picture of the spot they were organizing at in Kiev and Russia hit it with a cruise missile!

Stupidity got a lot of people killed, needlessly.
 
Many Secret Service officers tried stopping Chinese Generals from leaving the Whitehouse on a regular basis with their brown bags of new found goodies but they were always told to stand down by Hillary herself and then Bill when they protested. Their is a reason they advanced as fast as they did and it’s the same reason why Hillary is never brought up on charges for the many deaths attributed to her.
Beer is good at your house!
 
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