UA-RU | March 24th-26th | DISCUSSIONS

[King Crab]

That can't happen soon enough. It could happen after I post this and that's still not quick enough! Hoping its bloody, dragged out, and painful his last minutes on earth. Still not enough imo.

Fucking amen to that to that brother, he couldn't die off soon enough one less son of Hitler we have to deal with globally. I hope that whatever happens they don't cede any piece of Ukraine to that bastard.

 

[dave II judgement day]

That can't happen soon enough. It could happen after I post this and that's still not quick enough! Hoping its bloody, dragged out, and painful his last minutes on earth. Still not enough imo.

I would guess it would happens within 10 years, I base this on nothing at all but it sounds likely. that or he gets his innards replaced with 10 billion dollar solid-state electro-organs. I would bet the conflict would simmer down to a terrible status quo long before then, based on the withering of objectives just seen. totally wild and crazy to expect the russians to try for anything else soon, It will be an incredible struggle to maintain what they are doing in ukraine. not excluding any ridiculous "escalate to deescalate scheme"

 

[TruthandJustice]

I don't think so. But Putin can't afford to lose Ukraine.

What's happening is a reorder of goals. Instead of capturing all of Ukraine, Russia is going to say that they really only wanted the East. That is why they are digging in. They're preparing to defend that section of Ukraine they got.

This way they can claim victory even when they didn't meet the goal of getting all of Ukraine.

So it depends on how much Ukraine is willing to give up. If nothing, then Russia has a problem.

My concern is if Ukraine tries to retake Crimea. Russia may or may not be willing to give up territory captured in this war. But they sure ain't going to give that up.

Personally, I'd love to see Ukraine take back Crimea. But I know what that would entail. So the rational side of me doesn't want them to even try.

Nuclear weapons are in Crimea. Putin would resort to tactical nukes if Ukraine gets too bold.

 

[DEFCON Warning System]

Nuclear weapons are in Crimea. Putin would resort to tactical nukes if Ukraine gets too bold.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

 

[Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱]

Nuclear weapons are in Crimea. Putin would resort to tactical nukes if Ukraine gets too bold.

Yea thoughts exactly. Or if the West provides some serious offensive weapons.

 

[King Crab]

Well according to that last tweet Russians are being issued antidotes and prepping for chemical attacks...the shit is going to be hitting the fan shortly. This was anticipated of course but man the reality is spooky as fk.

 

[happyduck123]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1507048292882034691

So far they've only stated that Russia would use nuclear weapons if its existence would be at risk, now they're stating that, in fact, it is at risk. Are they self-esclating the situation?

 

[Soldier1985]

This news here, what's your opinion?

Informes de inteligencia que maneja Moncloa advierten de que Putin atacará "un país OTAN"

"Ha entrado en fase destructiva", explica una fuente cercana al presidente, tras la cumbre de Bruselas. "La escalada está garantizada".

www.elespanol.com

Intelligence reports handled by Moncloa warn that Putin will attack "a NATO country"
"He has entered a destructive phase," explains a source close to the president, after the Brussels summit. "The escalation is guaranteed."

 

[DEFCON Warning System]

So far they've only stated that Russia would use nuclear weapons if its existence would be at risk, now they're stating that, in fact, it is at risk. Are they self-esclating the situation?

What we are trying to determine is how much is just rhetoric and how much of this do they actually believe?

 

[DEFCON Warning System]

This news here, what's your opinion?

Informes de inteligencia que maneja Moncloa advierten de que Putin atacará "un país OTAN"

"Ha entrado en fase destructiva", explica una fuente cercana al presidente, tras la cumbre de Bruselas. "La escalada está garantizada".

www.elespanol.com

Intelligence reports handled by Moncloa warn that Putin will attack "a NATO country"
"He has entered a destructive phase," explains a source close to the president, after the Brussels summit. "The escalation is guaranteed."

Paywalled.

 

[Soldier1985]

Paywalled.

Informes de inteligencia norteamericanos alertan: 'Rusia va a atacar un país OTAN'

Informes de inteligencia que maneja Moncloa advierten de que Putin atacará "un país OTAN".

www.mediterraneodigital.com

Intelligence reports managed by Moncloa warn that Putin will attack "a NATO country".

Intelligence reports that have been sent to the Presidency of the Government and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs warn that "everything seems to indicate that Putin will soon attack a NATO country". This source affirms this, attributing the warning to the same confidential reports that send the American and British services. "Lo de las conversaciones con 15 puntos de discusión no es cierto, no hay nada de eso", he added. "Moscow only wants to win time with these negotiations to rebuild its supply columns and regroup its infantry". In total, there are now 40,000 troops under direct NATO command in the Eastern countries, as well as 100,000 US soldiers in European territory. From now on, Russian state television broadcasts debate programs on the war and directly threatens Poland and the Baltic countries with "a nuclear war that will end in Warsaw in 30 seconds".

 

[King Crab]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1507048292882034691

So far they've only stated that Russia would use nuclear weapons if its existence would be at risk, now they're stating that, in fact, it is at risk. Are they self-esclating the situation?

Holy fuck, yeah thats panic level news can it get anymore darker

 

[DEFCON Warning System]

Informes de inteligencia norteamericanos alertan: 'Rusia va a atacar un país OTAN'

Informes de inteligencia que maneja Moncloa advierten de que Putin atacará "un país OTAN".

www.mediterraneodigital.com

Intelligence reports managed by Moncloa warn that Putin will attack "a NATO country".

Intelligence reports that have been sent to the Presidency of the Government and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs warn that "everything seems to indicate that Putin will soon attack a NATO country". This source affirms this, attributing the warning to the same confidential reports that send the American and British services. "Lo de las conversaciones con 15 puntos de discusión no es cierto, no hay nada de eso", he added. "Moscow only wants to win time with these negotiations to rebuild its supply columns and regroup its infantry". In total, there are now 40,000 troops under direct NATO command in the Eastern countries, as well as 100,000 US soldiers in European territory. From now on, Russian state television broadcasts debate programs on the war and directly threatens Poland and the Baltic countries with "a nuclear war that will end in Warsaw in 30 seconds".

I honestly can't see an advantage to attacking a NATO country, especially when he can't even beat Ukraine.

Certainly his forces are in no position to attack. Unless they are thinking a strategic attack, which would be the end of Russia.

So, my thinking is that Russia getting ready to attack a NATO country is either propaganda or paranoia.

Unless we add in that "existential threat" factor. Then it becomes a bit more believable. But no way was this their original plan.

 

[Splinters]

I think it's important to note that rhetoric can also be for domestic audiences. Russia is trying to create a siege mindset amongst its people to blame its economic turmoil on the western world.

Of course, it also can serve as a veiled threat as you'd image, but as Samuel says in his tweets, these statements serve to progress a narrative of western hostility towards Russia.

 

[Soldier1985]

Unless we add in that "existential threat" factor. Then it becomes a bit more believable. But no way was this their original plan.

Their plan was never that. As it was never NATO's plan to sustain a war in Ukraine, but a resistance and guerrilla warfare. The situation that both sides imagined on February 24 is not the reality of now.

 

[DEFCON Warning System]

I think it's important to note that rhetoric can also be for domestic audiences. Russia is trying to create a siege mindset amongst its people to blame its economic turmoil on the western world.

True that, but I think Putin may believe it.

 

[Splinters]

True that, but I think Putin may believe it.

It's always possible that he does. But it's also within reason that he feels he can play both sides of the field. He can have these terms mentioned in the same breath as nuclear weapons as an indirect threat while also working on achieving more realistic goals. I fail to see how using nuclear weapons would achieve much of anything for him. Chemical weapons, though, well obviously that's a much more realistic option.

The shift to the Donbas indicates, atleast to me, that we are looking at a much more realistic scenario of Russia trying to size eastern Ukraine and force some sort of settlement, so I don't see how escalating to chemical weapons would really serve him now, but I suppose we will see.

 

[DEFCON Warning System]

I fail to see how using nuclear weapons would achieve much of anything for him. Chemical weapons, though, well obviously that's a much more realistic option.

Chemical weapons don't really achive much other than a psychological effect.

The shift to the Donbas indicates, atleast to me, that we are looking at a much more realistic scenario of Russia trying to size eastern Ukraine and force some sort of settlement, so I don't see how escalating to chemical weapons would really serve him now, but I suppose we will see.

It wouldn't. Russia is looking to minimize it's losses.

 

[Splinters]

It wouldn't. Russia is looking to minimize it's losses.

I believe so too. Taking into account the psychological factor, I suppose the use of chemical weapons can serve to try and shake Ukraine into concessions. Mariupol sticks out since taking the city would allow Russia to claim they achieved their goal of denazification, since Azov Batallion is based there. I think if we are going to see a chemical attack, it would be there, perhaps even on Russian troops.

Obviously that report on an antidote being issued to Russian soldiers is worrying, but time will tell if anything comes of it.

 

[DEFCON Warning System]

Taking into account the psychological factor, I suppose the use of chemical weapons can serve to try and shake Ukraine into concessions

That's a fair point. Though the consequences to Russia would be devastating. Would it be worth it? They'd have to whip out the "existential threat" card. They already said the sanctions were an act of war, and NATO called their bluff. They'd have back up their threat this time.