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It’s interesting that for the most part those that are supportive of Ukraine are “mostly” ambivalent about Russias future. They just want The Russian invasion to stop and for them to respect other nations boarders. That’s all!

But the tendency of those who defend Russia always seems to come with the hopeful destruction of nato, the US or European cities being leveled.

Isn’t Russia the one always complaining about being put upon and how their way of life is in danger, and nato is some evil empire. Yet it always seems to be Russia and Russian supporters are dreaming of the destruction of the west and European cities reduced to rubble.

Seems to me to be an indication of intentions. Some war porn wet dream.
 
Yellow said:
It’s interesting that for the most part those that are supportive of Ukraine are “mostly” ambivalent about Russias future. They just want The Russian invasion to stop and for them to respect other nations boarders. That’s all!

But the tendency of those who defend Russia always seems to come with the hopeful destruction of nato, the US or European cities being leveled.

Isn’t Russia the one always complaining about being put upon and how their way of life is in danger, and nato is some evil empire. Yet it always seems to be Russia and Russian supporters are dreaming of the destruction of the west and European cities reduced to rubble.

Seems to me to be an indication of intentions. Some war porn wet dream.
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Its a tougher sell for the russians, not good from propaganda standpoint to be bombing and killing and maiming these guys who you just went on and on about being "one people" with in a war you started, saying its the wests fault and you are fighting the west? that is an easier sell and easier to accept.
 
william said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1537810293761646592
Awesome firepower. To bunched up though. One missile would take them all out. Think this might be a training pic.
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That's definitely a training picture. Ukraine set a huge trap for Russia in Severodonetsk. Just west of the City is the river and very tall hills, some could say mountains albeit small flat top mountains and guess where a bunch of artillery was waiting for the Russians to come play? Ukraine told the people to leave so it was largely an empty city to lure the Russians in. They fought to sucker them in and then hit them hard when they got into the city enough to make sense. Russia probably lost another 5 thousand troops fighting for the city at the bare minimum. hearing the Russians losing the entire city today was great news.
 
william said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1537810293761646592
Awesome firepower. To bunched up though. One missile would take them all out. Think this might be a training pic.
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Yes they are close but in thus case, for SP Armor, it’s probably ok. I would assume they conduct a Battery wide fire mission then reposition en mass straight down the road and stop for another 2-3 round Battery fire mission. This is really outstanding and far more difficult then civilians (and some military) think.
Of course it could just be a PR photo like you said and I am completely wrong. Happens far too often 🫣
 
throwaway316 said:
www.axios.com

Ukraine suffering up to 1,000 casualties per day in Donbas, official says

Ukraine's top negotiator says 200 to 500 troops are dying daily.
www.axios.com www.axios.com

How the hell has Russia not been completely swept from the field? If Ukraine has a million soldiers now, and Russia has not brought in more men to replenish their small and heavily depleted 200k force...? Doesn't make any sense to me.
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that depends if you think 200k is 80% of 1350000 :oops: and that million men of Ukraine are fully equiped combat soldiers
 
Torcher said:
Yes they are close but in thus case, for SP Armor, it’s probably ok. I would assume they conduct a Battery wide fire mission then reposition en mass straight down the road and stop for another 2-3 round Battery fire mission. This is really outstanding and far more difficult then civilians (and some military) think.
Of course it could just be a PR photo like you said and I am completely wrong. Happens far too often 🫣
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Shoot and scoot! I like it! (y)
 
throwaway316 said:
www.axios.com

Ukraine suffering up to 1,000 casualties per day in Donbas, official says

Ukraine's top negotiator says 200 to 500 troops are dying daily.
www.axios.com www.axios.com

How the hell has Russia not been completely swept from the field? If Ukraine has a million soldiers now, and Russia has not brought in more men to replenish their small and heavily depleted 200k force...? Doesn't make any sense to me.
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Russian air power in the East is why Ukraine is struggling. NATO won’t provide any air assets as they are afraid Ukraine will use them to launch attacks into Russia sparking a wider conflict. I am now convinced that NATO unofficially drew a line on the Ukraine map for Russia not to cross. Putin being the narcissist that he is and thinking the West won’t do anything, crossed this line anyway. NATO militarily helped Ukraine in the West with intelligence and targeting command and control. This is why Russia failed so fast and miserably around Kiev. NATO is not providing the same level of support and intelligence in the East. The West‘s strategy now is to basically force Russia to drain their resources and make them an idle threat until new leadership potentially changes things internally. Putin can say they are just fine all he wants but they are much weaker right now and are not feared anymore outside of the threat of using nukes which would be admitting they lost.
 
TruthandJustice said:
Russian air power in the East is why Ukraine is struggling. NATO won’t provide any air assets as they are afraid Ukraine will use them to launch attacks into Russia sparking a wider conflict. I am now convinced that NATO unofficially drew a line on the Ukraine map for Russia not to cross. Putin being the narcissist that he is and thinking the West won’t do anything, crossed this line anyway. NATO militarily helped Ukraine in the West with intelligence and targeting command and control. This is why Russia failed so fast and miserably around Kiev. NATO is not providing the same level of support and intelligence in the East. The West‘s strategy now is to basically force Russia to drain their resources and make them an idle threat until new leadership potentially changes things internally. Putin can say they are just fine all he wants but they are much weaker right now and are not feared anymore outside of the threat of using nukes which would be admitting they lost.
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Let me add that any land that Russia does manage to conquer came at the cost of total destruction of the area. Let them waste time trying to rebuild.
 
TruthandJustice said:
Russian air power in the East is why Ukraine is struggling. NATO won’t provide any air assets as they are afraid Ukraine will use them to launch attacks into Russia sparking a wider conflict. I am now convinced that NATO unofficially drew a line on the Ukraine map for Russia not to cross. Putin being the narcissist that he is and thinking the West won’t do anything, crossed this line anyway. NATO militarily helped Ukraine in the West with intelligence and targeting command and control. This is why Russia failed so fast and miserably around Kiev. NATO is not providing the same level of support and intelligence in the East. The West‘s strategy now is to basically force Russia to drain their resources and make them an idle threat until new leadership potentially changes things internally. Putin can say they are just fine all he wants but they are much weaker right now and are not feared anymore outside of the threat of using nukes which would be admitting they lost.
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This problem is two fold.
Nato ISR and radar coverage cannot reach eastern Ukraine without entering Ukraine. So electronic intel is not nearly as effective.
That and those Russian aircraft are protected by Russian air space and have much shorted flights times.

This is one of the reasons the removal of Russian forces in the east is going much slower. That and Russian front lines are condensed down to 2-3 key areas to focus on. (Mass the troops and put a gun to their back and tell them to fight)
I’ll throw it out just to lite a few peoples hair on fire. Maybe nato air cap and signet need to be extended into eastern Ukraine.
What to see this war come to an end sooner than later?
That’s the path forward
 
It is my personal opinion, but after more than 100 days of conflict and Russia shows no sign of letting up and the continuous threats both to the NATO countries and to the countries "allied to Russia", (Kazakhstan) I consider that Russia is willing to play a large-scale war regardless of the consequences, They already said it on some occasion, If Russia will not exist in the world in the future, then why will the world exist.
 
So send in nato forces and end this damn war.
Russia doesn’t fear for its existence Putin does.
The notion that nato can’t is BS. They used the collective security excuse in Afghanistan.
They won’t …… not can’t.

Send a fighter/bomber cap in with signet and start decimating the Russian position inside Ukraine and let them feel the hollow nauseating sensation of being kicked in the nuts!
Apaches with SF targeting and warthogs and end it!

Putin is a king with no clothes.
He’s led the nation of Russia into a fools errand and has set their nation back twenty years.
Ukrainians and Russians dying because of vain visions of empire and glory,
Hail Czar Vlad !!
Just like the Russian peasants being sent into die for czar Nicholas in the Crimean war untrained underfed and I’ll-equipped. They died and lost for nothing.

If not then let Eastern Europe burn and fall under the boot of totalitarianism all over again.
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
That probably wouldn't end well.

But I think going in and clearing up that minefield so Ukraine can export food is a good idea. What is Russia going to do about it?
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They would scream and holler so what?
Russia does not have a diplomatic leg to stand on
We fought 20 years for countries that mostly didn’t want to fight for themselves.
But we won’t fight for a nation that’s been invaded AND IS willing to fight for themselves.
It’s time to Finish it.
There will be limits to the amounts of ground armaments nato can send to Ukraine.
They will not win or prevail against Russia without air support and signet.
It is just a matter of the numbers.
Sorry if you do t like it but it’s just reality and the sooner we realize it and act accordingly the sooner this will be over.

And if you don’t like it if Ukraine falls it will be worse than if we did nothing.
The pain and suffering Russia brings to Ukraine will equal some of the shit we saw during WW2.

Life is always a gamble and there is no such thing as a sure thing. Failing to act because it’s not a sure thing is boarder line cowardice.

And sadly we will fail to act. And it will because of fear not ability.
 
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