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es7129 said:
Nothing wrong with him asking for the US or others to pick up the operational costs going forward.
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It is true that there is nothing wrong with asking someone to pay for the service, the bad thing is the context, first talk to Putin, days later he disconnects the service in some areas of the conflict without any notification under the pretext of avoiding an escalation and then someone pay for the service.
It is different if from the beginning he had specified that he would bear the costs for a certain time, what would be the service coverage areas and that after that time someone else would have to assume the operating costs.
 
alphaecho said:
It is true that there is nothing wrong with asking someone to pay for the service, the bad thing is the context, first talk to Putin, days later he disconnects the service in some areas of the conflict without any notification under the pretext of avoiding an escalation and then someone pay for the service.
It is different if from the beginning he had specified that he would bear the costs for a certain time, what would be the service coverage areas and that after that time someone else would have to assume the operating costs.
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Per the article cited by Julia Davis Musk notified the US in September, and Musk has refuted that he’s spoken with Putin within the last 18months.
He newly found ‘centrist’ friends are more likely the folks in his ear and the brainchild of these tweets.
 
ZedBoy said:
"It all started since I talked to Putin ????"

Do you mind refining your statement?

you're saying I as in...you're him aka Elon?
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Okay I'm very short on time and sorry for lacking on the forms but Elon Musk is an a******. He is a billionaire with zero compression of how geopolitics work and he's only in it for the money. He talked to Putin and Putin more than likely offered him cheap lithium deposits which Russia definitely has.
 
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DarkNoon said:
Okay I'm very short on time and sorry for lacking on the forms but Elon Musk is an a******. He is a billionaire a****** and he's only in it for the money. He talked to Putin and putting more than likely offered him cheap lithium deposits which Russia definitely has.
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While your colorful description of his character may be on point, he can still profit greatly without getting into bed with Putin.
His cap on service costs are more likely linked to cost analysis for tax purposes and now he can generate hundreds of millions in revenue from world governments because Starlink has proven effective and the Ukrainians need this system.
 
es7129 said:
Nothing wrong with him asking for the US or others to pick up the operational costs going forward.
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What are you talking about? Everyone including Ukrainian military pays for Starlink devices and services.

It's not like Ukraine military just gets a free device and plugs in the satellite device then boom it works without any payment.

That's not how things work bud.

alphaecho said:
It is different if from the beginning he had specified that he would bear the costs for a certain time,
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Again he is not bearing cost. Anyone that uses Starlink including Ukraine pays $$$ for it. But before he had publicly disclosed conversations with Putin he had no problem providing a service they paid for!!!!

es7129 said:
His cap on service costs are more likely linked to cost analysis for tax purposes
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Which is his dumb stupid butts faul. He could of bargained for privately with the US for better tax cuts. But he didn't because obviously Putin offered a better deal to him with cheap lithium deposits in Russia.
 
DarkNoon said:
Okay I'm very short on time and sorry for lacking on the forms but Elon Musk is an a******. He is a billionaire a****** and he's only in it for the money. He talked to Putin and putting more than likely offered him cheap lithium deposits which Russia definitely has.
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Nonono, hold up: we aren't talking about you.

alphaecho said it like he was elon because he said "Since I talked to him"
 
dopey said:
What are you talking about? Everyone including Ukrainian military pays for Starlink devices and services.

It's not like Ukraine military just gets a free device and plugs in the satellite device then boom it works without any payment.

That's not how things work bud.


Again he is not bearing cost. Anyone that uses Starlink including Ukraine pays $$$ for it. But before he had publicly disclosed conversations with Putin he had no problem providing a service they paid for!!!!


Which is his dumb stupid butts faul. He could of bargained for privately with the US for better tax cuts. But he didn't because obviously Putin offered a better deal to him with cheap lithium deposits in Russia.
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I’ll happily admit my knowledge on Starlink payments is next to nil, but your grasp doesn’t seem much better.
Per the reporting he’s subsidizing millions of dollars in operational costs.
Ukraine and the US we’re paying for hardware while the services were free.
Now you’re contradicting yourself. Are/were the services free for Ukrainians? If the answers yes to either then SpaceX was paying for the operational costs of the network.

You’re speaking as if this Putin deal is fact and not conjecture.
 
es7129 said:
Per the reporting he’s subsidizing millions of dollars in operational costs.
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Ah. But see you even know it was "subsidized". Which means yes Ukraine didn't pay for it but it was paid for. Starlink got its money for its devices and services. Just was fronted by the US through its military, non-military aid to Ukraine, and tax write offs.

es7129 said:
while the services were free.
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Nothing is free. The money was being supplied to pay for devices and services. You really think a multi billionaire tycoon is going to do anything for free?... just wow is all I have to say if you think so.

es7129 said:
You’re speaking as if this Putin deal is fact and not conjecture.
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No. But doesn't take much to logically think for yourself.
 
dopey said:
Ah. But see you even know it was "subsidized". Which means yes Ukraine didn't pay for it but it was paid for. Starlink got its money for its devices and services. Just was fronted by the US through its military & non-military aid to Ukraine.
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Even if this was not the case. THEN WHY wouldn't he keep providing the services if US paid directly for it? He simply fat out refused to do it.

My brother is right. Musk fucked himself good. He is going to lose a lot on private and public investment. Shouldn't of been a shady traitor. You do not bite the hand that feeds you and that dumbass did exactly that. Such a geniuses. 🙄🤣

Though at least now US will provide its world first class communication networks to Ukraine. So that is a plus.
 
dopey said:
Ah. But see you even know it was "subsidized". Which means yes Ukraine didn't pay for it but it was paid for. Starlink got its money for its devices and services. Just was fronted by the US through its military, non-military aid to Ukraine, and tax write offs.


Nothing is free. The money was being supplied to pay for devices and services. You really think a multi billionaire tycoon is going to do anything for free?... just wow is all I have to say if you think so.


No. But doesn't take much to logically think for yourself.
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You seem to be under the impression that I’m pro-Musk. I’m not.

He’s not doing it for free; he’s doing it for the tax write-offs and public sentiment. For an individual or corporation both have great value.

If only you were thinking logically rather than emotionally.
 
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