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I agree. NATO and western leaders really have a challenge on their hands. It's looking like the plan is to let Russia wear out (or some kind of war-of-attrition situation), which comes with its own risks if, as part of this wearing out, Russia starts to believe it is facing an existential threat.
Couldn't agree more.
Whatever we do, we need to avoid a punitive Treaty of Versailles situation so that we don't find ourselves combating someone more tyrannical 10 years down the road.
Well put. Yes we cannot kick the can down the road. It needs to be solved once and for all or something worse will occur down the line.
 
If anyone is wondering my lack in reports past two days is because of this:

Twitter Filter has been broke past two days that really helps speed along the process of gathering reports for threads. Get the best results or info. At least for me. But... :(
 
Russia was never going to let grain through Ukraine. They want to make millions of innocent children and elderly starve to death in Africa. Because that's just what Russia does.
Russians: not just assholes, but perfect assholes.
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Ukraine media sphere is being awfully quiet at what is going on around Zaporozhye region, meanwhile the Russian one is set ablaze by huge surge of footage of burning Western vehicles, defeated Ukrainian combat groups and retreats.Like here is the actual video of Ukrainian armored battalion being decimated without even getting into a contact.
Numerous freshly supplied vehicles were destroyed or abandoned. Their crews chose to run away quickly. A wise decision, once Russian artillery gets a sight in, it will not stop pounding.
Please do not blame them, these guys are not obliged to die for the sake of your counries.

View attachment 4158Or this infantry platoon attack on Belogorivka. Dudes just went to the open field without support and died. Sorry, cannot pin a full video here yet.
Meanwhile what is going on at Ukraine media side:
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Their biggest trend today is about a shark in Egypt eating Russian tourist. Just mention that a man who faced the tradegy was from Russia and be happy - awful society of sociopaths and misanthropes. It happened several days ago, by the way. But they desperately need some sort of distraction for their masses.
No care given for hundreds of their best men today who will not come back home, and will be listed as MIA, so the state won't have to pay compensations for their families - a usual practic in Ukraine.
Also, Ukrainian High Command just reported to Reuters, that there is no Ukrainian counteroffensive is ongoing. Just like i said - It never happened, unless there are results.
Ah yes, blurry images that cannot show the Russian marking on the vehicles and uniforms. Death to Russia.
 
Yes! We should. Infact after Russia blowing the dam up The West should send in peacekeepers to the area to help Ukraine. Also send a peacekeeping mission to let Ukraine grain be shipped to the millions of starving people Russia is purposely letting die of starvation by blocking any grain shipments.
No, we should not. You ready to commit 18 year old soy boys AND girls to the draft, when nothing has happened over here? Yeah. Didn’t think so. Wanna airdrop food? Sure. Past that, America has a lot more problems to deal with stateside.
 
Just silly to say Ukraine is at fault for being invaded, or is at fault for the completely horrendous war crimes committed against them. Really man? Sounds a little illogical to me...

It is entirly on Russia for their own actions in committing brutal acts of genocide and other atrocious war crimes against the Ukrainian people.
 
Just silly to say Ukraine is at fault for being invaded, or is at fault for the completely horrendous war crimes committed against them. Really man? Sounds a little nutty to me... to put it nicely.

It is entirly on Russia for their own actions in committing brutal acts of genocide and other atrocious war crimes against the Ukrainian people.
Ukraine is not at fault for being invaded. The USA is at fault for using Ukraine as a pawn to further the administration's international objectives. Russia is at fault for being the target of a vendetta for the last 80 years. Sympathy for Ukraine, disgust for the USA and empathy for Russia.
 
Ukraine is not at fault for being invaded. The USA is at fault for using Ukraine as a pawn to further the administration's international objectives. Russia is at fault for being the target of a vendetta for the last 80 years. Sympathy for Ukraine, disgust for the USA and empathy for Russia.
This is EXACTLY what I am getting at.
 
No, we should not. You ready to commit 18 year old soy boys AND girls to the draft, when nothing has happened over here? Yeah. Didn’t think so. Wanna airdrop food? Sure. Past that, America has a lot more problems to deal with stateside.
Yes I agree peace keepers as they are called rarely managed to do as their name suggests.
 
Ukraine is not at fault for being invaded. The USA is at fault for using Ukraine as a pawn to further the administration's international objectives. Russia is at fault for being the target of a vendetta for the last 80 years. Sympathy for Ukraine, disgust for the USA and empathy for Russia.
Agree with everything up until sympathy for Ukraine in general for the civilian population absolute sympathy yes. As far as their government absolutely none. They had decades of choices and obviously made the wrong ones through corruption and lack of secure borders and military growth to stay a neutral country insureing their own security. Eu and nato were never interested in letting them join for obvious reasons corruption being one of the largest issues. The west started influencing them without garenteed membership in nato before the enevitable . Pawn is exactly what they are being used for otherwise they would have been excepted previously but obviously plans couldn't have gone ahead as a nato country. Otherwise a very good summary of a truth no-one wants to consider or admit. Like I said in another post if the West are so called freinds of Ukraine they have a sick twisted way of showing support with slow dribs and drabs of military hardware being supplied . The west admit they have planned a war of attrition at suffering of the Ukraine population by admitting from the start timelines of said conflict . No one here can deny nato countries individually including America constantly announce support for 5yrs minimum and longer . If that doesn't give you an idea of what's going on than nothing will. And obviously it doesn't raise suspicion with most. Great to see different opinions and people speaking out. Regardless of majority opinion.
🤝👍 question more. Question yourself and your environment. Enjoy freedom of speech while it lasts.
 
And I'll repeat this again Molotov, Gorbachev and Putin all showed interest in Nato-europe membership and were denied. Everyone is happy to say well you only have to look at what has happened as an excuse, when in reality if they were given membership this scenario very well wouldn't exist. As for nato growth recently since the war started, obviously these previous neutral countries can see the issues that have been caused by previous actions and now feel at threat more than previous decades due to what is obvious. And that isn't Russia invading their countries it is simply security for a possible major conflict that they think may happen. Putin has never been interested in attacking a nato country like some think as he knows that means icbm use which he is obviously trying to avoid as long as he sees fit. Not unlike nato who are obviously claiming to try and avoid themselves by not going into Ukraine in representative uniforms. No excuse not to have flooded Ukraine with weapons and mercenaries to finish the fight faster . Yes those poor Ukraine civilians sad their government and western governments alike are treating them like this. When there is obviously better options and opportunities being ignored deliberately by both Zelinski and nato.
 
Gorbachev and Putin all showed interest in Nato-europe membership and were denied.
🙄🤣 They were not denied or even propositioned for it. We tried bringing them into the fold but Putin had other ideas.

Putin purposely did everything he could to make sure the wedge or great distance was made between Russia and the West when he came to power.
 
🙄🤣 They were not denied or even propositioned for it. We tried bringing them into the fold but Putin had other ideas.

Putin purposely did everything he could to make sure the wedge or great distance was made between Russia and the West when he came to power. Ffs.
George Robertson former nato
And check a former POTUS aswell. You probably won't bother in fear but rough periods 99-01. That was the last time. I also gave 2 others through time even the USSR days which you still compare as today with Russia.
 
George Robertson former nato
And check a former POTUS aswell. You probably won't bother in fear but rough periods 99-01. That was the last time. I also gave 2 others through time even the USSR days which you still compare as today with Russia.
Russia never asked to fully join NATO and NATO never offered full membership. We gave them a special seat to observe and be appart of NATO through informal cooperation. But thats as far as it ever went.

Soon after Putin came to power he did pretty much everything he could to destroy Russian democracy and any chance of joining NATO because of it. 🙄
 
🙄🤣 They were not denied or even propositioned for it. We tried bringing them into the fold but Putin had other ideas.

Putin purposely did everything he could to make sure the wedge or great distance was made between Russia and the West when he came to power.
Ok we can play this. I find such actions constantly repeating lately with no surprise. Amazing considering claims on Putin and shutting down people. Yet freedom of speech here could be related to such claims. 🤣😂🤣 ignorance is bliss is just a saying. Evidence exists, history is yet another i guess the enemies like to delete, eradicate and or ignore. Not unlike here.
Enjoy yourself. As im sure you do. 🤣😂🤣 everyone has their own world one way or another, but to realise others exists is another issue for some obviously more than others. Hope no-one is offended, no names mentioned. Let's see how this breaks rules.🤣😂
 
Losses are inevitable during any military undertaking. Ukrainian forces will suffer losses, including of both Western and Soviet equipment, during any offensive operations. Western equipment is not impervious to damage any more than the equipment that the Ukrainians have been using and losing since February 2022. The loss of equipment — including Western equipment — early on in the counteroffensive is not an indicator of the future progress of Ukraine’s counteroffensive. It is important not to exaggerate the impact of initial losses of Western or any other equipment, particularly in penetration battles against prepared defensive positions.

Yea. Russian losses have been way more. I mean over a year and how many months of fighting still Russia has not gained anything of any significance in Ukraine. Yikes, can only imagine the losses the Russians have faced through this war which is totaly and entiely on Putin for staring and waging a genocidal rampage against the Ukrainian people.
 
Try to hold back your tears now so what you will see next won't seem blurry for you:

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Ukrainian crews were really quick to abandon all that good stuff. Very poorly trained and motivated force.
Should they weld the hatches with crews in so they won't escape, like they did before?
Why are you sharing images from Isreal? Use the real war where Russia is getting its shit pushed back in.
 
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