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william said:
Do you think we are seeing the main thrust of the counter offensive or still just probing trying to confuse the enemy and looking for weakness in their lines?

How hard do you think it is on a modern battlefield to stage large amounts of men and material in preparation for the main thrust with eyes in the sky watching everything and do you think the west is helping with the eyes in the sky problem?
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If this is the case, then the west is likely helping them with this problem. Running interference, however, also training them on how to camouflage themselves. The question becomes is China sharing Intel w/ Russia. I would presume they are. As such, Russia has significant espionage and Intel capabilities, thus making the West's job that much harder.
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
The problem is that Russia is depleting its own ammunition stocks. As well as equipment and personnel. NATO's resources are much more vast than Russia. Russia may be getting some stuff from China and Iran, but that doesn't compare to what Ukraine is getting. Or what NATO still has.

My only concern is Taiwan. China would do best to just sit back and let the Ukraine war drag on for as long as possible. Once it finally ends, that would be the perfect time to invade as it would be when the West is most exhausted.
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Interesting, I know others that agree with your annalyse. Imo they are two completely different theatres of conflict meaning majority different weapons systems and hardware . European being mainly land based with no real naval or airforce commitment ,where as Asian theatre will be mainly naval and airforce. Not only that but I also think differently about timing. Some as you stated think China will wait until conflict is done in European theatre then move. It would be wiser to move before as a two theatre war is more challenging, distractive and useful possibly due to reluctance of Europe sending much to Asia for risk of own theatre escalation. Even a little reduction in enemies naval and airforce is advantageous. So is hesitation. Hesitation benefits show in European theatre.
 
Yingyang said:
Interesting, I know others that agree with your annalyse. Imo they are two completely different theatres of conflict meaning majority different weapons systems and hardware . European being mainly land based with no real naval or airforce commitment ,where as Asian theatre will be mainly naval and airforce. Not only that but I also think differently about timing. Some as you stated think China will wait until conflict is done in European theatre then move. It would be wiser to move before as a two theatre war is more challenging, distractive and useful possibly due to reluctance of Europe sending much to Asia for risk of own theatre escalation. Even a little reduction in enemies naval and airforce is advantageous. So is hesitation. Hesitation benefits show in European theatre.
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China will do it the MOMENT the US and its allies overextend in Europe.
 
william said:
Do you think we are seeing the main thrust of the counter offensive or still just probing trying to confuse the enemy and looking for weakness in their lines?
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Both Ukraine and Russia are saying this is not the main thrust of the counterattack.
 
YHWH's_Sentinel said:
If this is the case, then the west is likely helping them with this problem. Running interference, however, also training them on how to camouflage themselves. The question becomes is China sharing Intel w/ Russia. I would presume they are. As such, Russia has significant espionage and Intel capabilities, thus making the West's job that much harder.
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West is 100% helping with the logistics and information side of things. With Starlink and other assets were providing Ukraine with all the information they need. This is 60% (other 40 is equipment) of the reason why they are being so effective. They knew where the defensive lines were and have been staging for months artillery strikes on logi hubs and ammunition depots. This first wave of attacks is only a probe to see how dug in they are. This has proven extremely effective and when those lines are broken it will be a constant pushback for Russia. As many others have said, the worry is that redline when Russia and Putin say they’ve got too far.
 
JPod said:
I would say they weren't 100% prepared because: there were stories of the Russian soldiers and their COs not being told what their real purpose was, they thought it was a training exercise even after crossing the border. As well the number of personal was much too small. It was estimated ~250k amassed along the border. This would indicate they were not expecting a wider conventional conflict. In reality for a conventional war they would need at least 2-3 million troops. The front line is long with lots of wide open space to cover. Had we seen them mass up say 3 million with those soldiers knowing and being trained for a conventional war in Ukraine with or without proper supply lines I believe it would've been a steamroll.
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Then they would never have been prepared. So the point is mute.
Russias will fight to defend Russia.
Putin tried to sell this special operation as a mission to protect Russia. He failed in that.
 
Yingyang said:
Are yes the lucky ones.
I was thinking civilian population in Ukraine and globally should farming and crops continue .
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NIH lead is more toxic in the environment than depleted uranium.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Depleted uranium instead of lead in munitions: the lesser evil - PubMed

Uranium has many similarities to lead in its exposure mechanisms, metabolism and target organs. However, lead is more toxic, which is reflected in the threshold limit values. The main potential hazard associated with depleted uranium is inhalation of the aerosols created when a projectile hits...
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RiffRaff said:
Take the source with a grain of salt, but:
offensively-patriotic.com

NATO/Russia Latest: Nuclear War Looks More Likely in 2023

Putin Says "F*** NATO" in Recent Speech as Nuclear War Looks More Likely, Tensions Mount | Nuclear War Tensions Mount as Germany...
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Putin says “that he plans to go after air bases Full of NATO planes in Ukraine.”

Uh duh…. Thats what his side is supposed to do. If this is revolutionary thinking for the Russian military, I have an idea on why they suck.
 
Torcher said:
Putin says “that he plans to go after air bases Full of NATO planes in Ukraine.”

Uh duh…. Thats what his side is supposed to do. If this is revolutionary thinking for the Russian military, I have an idea on why they suck.
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Call it incompetence of Russian leader and military, when the time comes i wouldn't expect anything less than nuclear war to end this conflict. Don't see any other way. Neither side will back down. Russia sees its own demise , they will seek revenge. If they go we go with them.
 
Yingyang said:
Call it incompetence of Russian leader and military, when the time comes i wouldn't expect anything less than nuclear war to end this conflict. Don't see any other way. Neither side will back down. Russia sees its own demise , they will seek revenge. If they go we go with them.
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Hopefully, everyone can see through the guise of Russia if they do that. The bully got beat and wants to make everything burn, like a toddler who didn't get his Captain Crunch cereal. I hope Putin is decapitated and his head put on a stake in the UN.
 
BorisBadenov said:
Hopefully, everyone can see through the guise of Russia if they do that. The bully got beat and wants to make everything burn, like a toddler who didn't get his Captain Crunch cereal. I hope Putin is decapitated and his head put on a stake in the UN.
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Ok except how about “…on a stake in Kiev.” They kinda earned it, poor bastards.
 
Yingyang said:
Nope nuclear war. I'm convinced it won't end any other way.
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Obviously, I am with you regarding the use of a nuclear weapon. That withstanding, I do not believe Putin wants war with the West, if possible. However, while Ukraine is a pawn for the West, both Putin and the US know (well... I'm betting anyway) they will not retaliate with nuclear weaponry for a nuclear detonation in Ukraine, though if Kyiv or some other more western city were to be hit I would say odds increase of more heavy handed retaliation.

The West is fighting a war without technically fighting a war. Our F16s are about to be challenging Russian MIGs. Yeah, we're not piloting them (or perhaps we are..), however, we are crossing lines that are getting close to forcing Putins hand.

Also, make no mistake, America caused this war. The Administration(s) don't care about Ukraine. It's a continuation of the Cold War policy - as long as a friendly Western leader is in power than be damned with what happens to the country. We did this in Iran. We did this in Latin America. We're doing it here. We overthrew a Democratically elected government in Ukraine in 2013-2014 because it was too cozy to Russia. Russia took Crimea. Biden said Ukranian security is US National Security. Putin began to build along the border. Biden kept saying Ukraine should become NATO and Putin built further up. The United States is willing to pour everything into Ukraine to create another Afghanistan for Russia. They are willing to let Ukraine be destroyed to weaken Russia. China is willing to let the West deplete their arsenals for Taiwan. My point is that the United States is playing an incredibly dangerous game and it is on the verge of pushing too far.

Side note: this is how world wars start - proxy wars.
 
Yingyang said:
Nope nuclear war. I'm convinced it won't end any other way.
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A lot of people feel that way personally. I will say my wife and I spent most of today going through our emergency preps, throwing out some expired food items and rearranging to make room for new stocks coming in. We're also getting ready to build a reinforced room in one corner of the basement that won't be blast resistant, but will be much more fallout resistant. I doubt we would even suffer broken windows from any detonations, but the amount of fallout we would get is an unknown factor.

That should tell you where I stand on the subject.
 
I don't know why people put so much stock in Putin's nuclear posturing. He hasn't even used chemical weapons yet like he did in Chechnya. I think it's a case of 'methinks he doth protest too much', i.e the one shouting loudest has the least to shout about. In the UK we call it BCSD. Big car, small dick
 
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