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The Ukraine War Might Really Break Up The Russian Federation

I’m sure it is but NATO’s haphazard crisis response is just as likely to undermine NATO.
Fight it to win it or get the fuck out.
I actually would argue that Nato has done a tremendous job dealing with this crisis, with the lack of readiness supplied by past leaders (Trump, Merkel, to name a few.) I mean, Ukraine is still 3/4 intact more than a year after the invasion, WW3 hasn't started yet to some peoples disappointment, and Ukraine is slowly making gains in their counter offensive. Things are stabilized, wobbly but stabilized enough, lol.
 
but NATO’s haphazard crisis response
No. NATO has done and gone above and beyond.

I actually would argue that Nato has done a tremendous job dealing with this crisis, with the lack of readiness supplied by past leaders
Correct. I mean EU hardly uses Russian oil anymore only after a year! So much more accomplished and done by NATO on a whim not prepared no less.
 
I’m sorry but Biden cut the proposed Trump administration lethal aid budget twice in 2021 leading up to the war to try and appease Putin. He actually suspended Javelin missiles to Ukraine for almost 6 of 12 months in 2021.

Trump released lethal aid to Ukraine in 2017 even though a bi-congress approved it in 2015. The Obama admin set on it after the annexation of Crimea the rest of his second term.

White House Delays Moving Military Assistance to Ukraine and the Obama admin refused.

And the clear and simple facts are in 2014 under Obama Russia took Crimea and nothing happened.
In 2022 after a year of Biden holds and cuts to lethal aid to Ukraine Russia decided it was a good time to take the rest of it.


Could Trump have done things differently? Maybe he could have but the facts are it was under a weak Obama and Biden Presidency Russia has tried two land grabs on Ukraine.

I’m not trying to pick a fight but it was two weak appeasing presidents that gave Putin the impression Ukraine was up for grabs militarily in the first place.
So put the blame on an overall weak and indecisive American Foreign Policy but don’t foist this off on a Trump administration failure alone.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/18/white-house-ukraine-military-lethal-weapons-495169


 
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My point was we have been entirely reactionary in our lethal aid response since feb or 2022. New weapons armor tanks jets what ever. They get rumored or requested and immediately the Biden admin or Germany say wow now wait a minute. Let’s think about this.

Do you know how larger wars start?!
Without a military plan!
We don’t have a plan to win this war with Ukraine.
We have a plan via public opinion dialogue.
 
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I’m sorry but Biden cut the proposed Trump administration lethal aid budget twice in 2021 leading up to the war to try and appease Putin. He actually suspended Javelin missiles to Ukraine for almost 6 of 12 months in 2021.

Trump released lethal aid to Ukraine in 2017 even though a bi-congress approved it in 2015. The Obama admin set on it after the annexation of Crimea the rest of his second term.

White House Delays Moving Military Assistance to Ukraine and the Obama admin refused.

And the clear and simple facts are in 2014 under Obama Russia took Crimea and nothing happened.
In 2022 after a year of Biden holds and cuts to lethal aid to Ukraine Russia decided it was a good time to take the rest of it.


Could Trump have done things differently? Maybe he could have but the facts are it was under a weak Obama and Biden Presidency Russia has tried two land grabs on Ukraine.

I’m not trying to pick a fight but it was two weak appeasing presidents that gave Putin the impression Ukraine was up for grabs militarily in the first place.
So put the blame on an overall weak and indecisive American Foreign Policy but don’t foist this off on a Trump administration failure alone.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/18/white-house-ukraine-military-lethal-weapons-495169


You can like it or hate it but these are the facts!
 
You can like it or hate it but these are the facts!
I love how you conveniently left out these facts:

Trump holds up Ukraine military aid meant to confront Russia:
The Trump administration is slow-walking $250 million in military assistance to Ukraine, annoying lawmakers and advocates who argue the funding is critical to keeping Russia at bay.
 
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Trump criticizes spending for Ukraine:
(Before the Invasion & still does after.)

More facts you oh so conveniently left out. 🙄
 
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The Cost of Trump’s Aid Freeze in the Trenches of Ukraine’s War:

Trump froze military aid — as Ukrainian soldiers perished in battle:
 
Trump did more than anyone else to invite Russia to invade Ukraine. Wonder why Putin wants/wanted Trump to win. 🙄🤦‍♂️
None of that changes the real world military weapons delivered.
As I said in my original post could the Trump admin done somethings differently, possibly.
But stop wasting everyone’s time with the Trump admin alone could have done things different.

By the way those delays 30 days verses half a year.
This myopic Trump MAGA bashing Bull shit has to go.
Take it to Twitter.
Debate facts or don’t debate!
 
None of that changes the real world military weapons delivered.
As I said in my original post could the Trump admin done somethings differently, possibly.
But stop wasting everyone’s time with the Trump admin alone could have done things different.

By the way those delays 30 days verses half a year.
This myopic Trump MAGA bashing Bull shit has to go.
Take it to Twitter.
Debate facts or don’t debate!
Someone doesn't like I brought up the wrong facts.🙄🤦‍♂️ HERE SOME MORE FACTS: 👇
"Trump withheld 400 million Ukraine" and you will find innumerable news stories on that FACT. Just a few:




I really am fucking tired of people throwing around the phrase "fake news" any time something is mentioned about someone they support because it goes against the party propaganda. You might want to be 100% positive you have the facts straight before you use that term.
 
None of that changes the real world military weapons delivered.
As I said in my original post could the Trump admin done somethings differently, possibly.
But stop wasting everyone’s time with the Trump admin alone could have done things different.

By the way those delays 30 days verses half a year.
This myopic Trump MAGA bashing Bull shit has to go.
Take it to Twitter.
Debate facts or don’t debate!
It’s stupid and childish.
 
It’s stupid and childish.
I agree, but not for the same reason.
Why has this devolved into another Trump thread?

Behave yourselves people, for goodness sake. Be civil.
All those involved in derailing the thread and not keeping it civil are getting banned from this thread for a week.
 
I agree, but not for the same reason.
Why has this devolved into another Trump thread?

Behave yourselves people, for goodness sake. Be civil.
All those involved in derailing the thread and not keeping it civil are getting banned from this thread for a week.
I am THIS || fucking close to locking any thread the second it turns into a hyperpartisan shitshow.
Keep this crap in the Politics forum where it belongs.
This is EVERYONE'S final warning.
 
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