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I agree with you there. If you sent a token number of NATO troops into Ukraine to secure key areas then Putin might think twice.
Not enough so that Putin thinks invasion of Russia is coming.
Tough decision though.
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Ukraine aid left out of government funding package, raising questions about future US support
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Not enough so that Putin thinks invasion of Russia is coming.
Tough decision though.
Not sure how anyone can be in the MAGA party if someone want to support Ukraine since the MAGA party absolutely wants to end Ukraine military aid. Baffling to me.Me to. That's what makes me wonder.
Bring back the Republicans in Congress that respect political tradition & want American values/interests protected across the world.
Not coward in fear, becoming isolationist, and abandon our allies as the MAGA/Trump party wants.
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The GOP is not going to let putin roll over Europe I don't care who is leading it.
Tell that to the most recent bill pasted by Congress only passed by removing Ukraine aid because MAGA lawmakers refuse to aid Ukraine.
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If the majority of US citizens want to go back to isolationism, that's up to them.
Sit back, pull a Switzerland, and watch the world burn.
The rest of NATO will be left to pick up the pieces. Taiwan would be royally screwed but I think Europe should be okay. So long as CANZUK happens (which I think it will), the UK, Canada, Australia & NZ should be alright but it'll take a long time to get to a point where the West can just about manage without the US involved. It would be very difficult, take a while and I have no doubt that some countries would turn into autocracies, civil wars would happen and people would die.
However, I am in no position to argue with the will of the US people, it is up to all of you lovely people to vote next election. Think about foreign policy, what stance do you think the US should take?
Have you seen us Americans lately. Where not lovely atm. Just one slip away from a nationwide brawl/unrest.
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I think that most Americans are very pleasant people, it's just that some of you are getting a little bit too polarised.Have you seen us Americans lately. Where not lovely. Just one slip away from a nationwide brawl/unrest.
You can almost feel it in the air here. Large majority of people ready to "snap" fight. Everyone is just so angry and fed up with the otherside & other things like price of living. Definitely a lot of people on edge here.Have you seen us Americans lately. Where not lovely atm. Just one slip away from a nationwide brawl/unrest.
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U.S. Aid to Ukraine, Explained
Posted on December 2, 2022When asked whether Republicans would “make it more difficult” for Congress to approve Ukrainian aid, Rep. Mike Turner criticized the $40 billion package enacted in May, saying: “We don’t need to pass $40 billion large Democrat bills … to send $8 billion to Ukraine.” Much more than that, however, was allocated for military support.
The aid legislation, which passed with broad bipartisan approval, included about $19 billion for military support, though not all of that will be transferred to Ukraine. For instance, a chunk of it is allocated for replenishing U.S. stocks of weapons that have gone or will go to Ukraine to assist the country in its defense against Russia.
The rest of the $40 billion included humanitarian and economic aid, among other measures.
Turner, who is the ranking GOP member of the House intelligence committee, made his remarks on ABC’s “This Week” on Nov. 27. He went on to say, “What we’re going to do — and it’s been very frustrating, obviously, even to the Ukrainians where they hear these large numbers in the United States as a result of the, you know, burgeoned Democrat bills and the little amount of aid that they receive. We’re going to make certain they get what they need.”
His office told us he was talking about the direct, lethal aid going to Ukraine, and the $8 billion he cited was an example of how there is “confusion” over the funding. We asked what specifically the $8 billion referred to, but we didn’t get an answer to that.
GOP Rep. Michael McCaul echoed that sentiment, saying that lawmakers had little time to review the $40 billion package and that “we are going to provide more oversight, transparency and accountability.”
Supplemental appropriations are for emergency situations, but they often “become ‘Christmas trees’ onto which advocates can hang initiatives that did not get funded through the regular cycle.” And some aspects of this aid legislation “have the air of ‘Christmas tree ornaments.’”
Again, the GOP just wants to make sure the money is being used for the right reasons.
U.S. Aid to Ukraine, Explained - FactCheck.org
When asked whether Republicans would "make it more difficult" for Congress to approve Ukrainian aid, Rep. Mike Turner criticized the $40 billion package enacted in May, saying: "We don’t need to pass $40 billion large Democrat bills ... to send $8 billion to Ukraine." Much more than that...
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Yea respectable, traditional GOP lawmakers want to support Ukraine. You know the harder to come by GOP lawmakers that do not bend over a barrel & take it for Trump.U.S. Aid to Ukraine, Explained
Posted on December 2, 2022
When asked whether Republicans would “make it more difficult” for Congress to approve Ukrainian aid, Rep. Mike Turner criticized the $40 billion package enacted in May, saying: “We don’t need to pass $40 billion large Democrat bills … to send $8 billion to Ukraine.” Much more than that, however, was allocated for military support.
The aid legislation, which passed with broad bipartisan approval, included about $19 billion for military support, though not all of that will be transferred to Ukraine. For instance, a chunk of it is allocated for replenishing U.S. stocks of weapons that have gone or will go to Ukraine to assist the country in its defense against Russia.
The rest of the $40 billion included humanitarian and economic aid, among other measures.
Turner, who is the ranking GOP member of the House intelligence committee, made his remarks on ABC’s “This Week” on Nov. 27. He went on to say, “What we’re going to do — and it’s been very frustrating, obviously, even to the Ukrainians where they hear these large numbers in the United States as a result of the, you know, burgeoned Democrat bills and the little amount of aid that they receive. We’re going to make certain they get what they need.”
His office told us he was talking about the direct, lethal aid going to Ukraine, and the $8 billion he cited was an example of how there is “confusion” over the funding. We asked what specifically the $8 billion referred to, but we didn’t get an answer to that.
GOP Rep. Michael McCaul echoed that sentiment, saying that lawmakers had little time to review the $40 billion package and that “we are going to provide more oversight, transparency and accountability.”
Supplemental appropriations are for emergency situations, but they often “become ‘Christmas trees’ onto which advocates can hang initiatives that did not get funded through the regular cycle.” And some aspects of this aid legislation “have the air of ‘Christmas tree ornaments.’”
Again, the GOP just wants to make sure the money is being used for the right reasons.
U.S. Aid to Ukraine, Explained - FactCheck.org
When asked whether Republicans would "make it more difficult" for Congress to approve Ukrainian aid, Rep. Mike Turner criticized the $40 billion package enacted in May, saying: "We don’t need to pass $40 billion large Democrat bills ... to send $8 billion to Ukraine." Much more than that...
But the MAGA extremist (not GOP) lawmakers want to stop supporting Ukraine all together. Its not about where the money is going for them. It is simply their goal to end aid for Ukraine. MAGA lawmakers have said just that, they seek to end aid to Ukraine out of fear or other illogical weak notions of isolationism.
Don't mix or confuse respectable & traditional Republican lawmakers with MAGA extremists. Totally two different types of people.
I'll make it easy for you. There is respected GOP lawmakers & then there is MAGA extremist, neither are related or the same entity nor have same goals.
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What do you think the two goals are?
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Well maybe Americans are concerned about their own debt,cost of living etc and are tired of unnecessary conflicts so much now that they are pushing back more for America? Most of America debt is to CHINA AND JAPAN as I understand it . About 2 trillion borrowed from between the two just to help keep America afloat.
Interesting on why America borrows so much from China considering the issues?
Interesting on why America borrows so much from China considering the issues?
2 trillion is not much, you know how much America is worth, let alone our GDP. Yawn.
Besides our debt is much beyond 2 trillion making what China holds only a very small fraction of all US debt as a whole.
China buys more US bonds and measures than they hold US debt. So not sure what your point is.
INFACT China is not even biggest US Trading partner. China is not even the second biggest US trading partner. First is Canada, Second is Mexico. Not China.
Maybe I should bring up the fact trade with China is down more than 50% in the past few years. Even Apple is jumping ship from China.
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