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DEFCON Warning System said:
They've been saying this for how long now?
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Yes but doing this right after meeting (US) CENTCOM over striking Iran facilities?

Normaly I'd say your right nothing to see here. But.. with context i.e for Israel to do this just a day after CENTCOM visit and given their discussions, is raising my eyebrow. 🤨
 
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DarkNoon said:
Trump offers nuclear talks with Iran in a letter to its supreme leader.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1898041308523929777

That Iran is claiming to never have gotten. 👇
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It's even money on who's lying here.

I also don't believe the USA/Israel alliance is capable of stopping the Iranian nuclear program by force.

Oh, and by the way - Putin (who magnanimously agreed to "talk to Iran" in exchange for Trump giving up on Ukraine) would like nothing better than for the US to be drawn into a kinetic conflict with Iran. This brings the likelihood of a successful diplomatic resolution to this conflict to essentially zero.

In general, the world is growing less and less scared of US military power - which is why Trump will find himself having less and less leverage with hostile states. Expect the erosion of US global influence to continue.
 
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alphaecho said:
Iran’s Supreme Leader Khamenei responded to President Trump’s letter, rejecting U.S. demands and refusing to engage in negotiations under what he described as American pressure and coercion. Trump previously warned that failure to negotiate would result in serious consequences for Iran.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898404006210277749
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That's a neat trick, responding to a letter Iran claimed they never received.
 
alphaecho said:
China, Russia and Iran to hold joint military exercise this month near the Chabahar port
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Oh but what about that fools dream of Russia working with us against China? NEVER, ever will happen no matter how much you apease Putin. Trumps not forever, they have ZERO reason to cut off their neighbor.

Rephrased: Russia will never work with the US against China, regardless of any attempts at appeasement with Putin. The current administration only has four years, so there is no incentive for them to cut off their neighbor.

How you say something is just as important as what you say. See the difference in sentiment between those two statements, but they both essentially contain the same analysis? DarkNoon's original statement doesn't really cross the line where it needs t be removed, but does everyone see how the rephrasing is more neutral, less emotional? And I'm not picking on DarkNoon; this comment just happens to be the first one I ran into that I can use as an example of analysis and communication on this board.
 
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DarkNoon said:
Oh but what about that fools dream of Russia working with us against China? NEVER, ever will happen no matter how much you apease Putin. Trumps not forever, they have ZERO reason to cut off their neighbor.

Rephrased: Russia will never work with the US against China, regardless of any attempts at appeasement with Putin. The current administration only has four years, so there is no incentive for them to cut off their neighbor.

How you say something is just as important as what you say. See the difference in sentiment between those two statements, but they both essentially contain the same analysis? DarkNoon's original statement doesn't really cross the line where it needs t be removed, but does everyone see how the rephrasing is more neutral, less emotional? And I'm not picking on DarkNoon; this comment just happens to be the first one I ran into that I can use as an example of analysis and communication on this board.
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It’s not so much about getting Russia to work together “with” the US against China.
As it is to negate the necessity of Russia to work with China against the US.

These are subtle differences but their effects are real.

Their is also the reality of not having to counter or engage China and Russia at the same time in two different hemisphere of the earth at the same time.
 
Socom7 said:
You know you done goofed when the leader of a hostile state lays into you for mistreating their enemy.
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Though I think there's different levels of animosity here when it comes to Iran v Ukraine and Iran v USA. One is an enemy by extension because they're an enemy of a friend... the other, they paint their flags on the ground solely so the people get to walk on them :P
 
Irag8er said:
Iran is developing nuclear missiles with a range of 3,000 kilometers based on designs given to Tehran by North Korea, The Telegraph quoted British intelligence as saying
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I've been saying for YEARS that North Korea and Iran have been coordinating both their missile and nuclear weapons programs. If Iran already has a nuclear weapon, it was most likely built in North Korea.
 
RiffRaff said:
I've been saying for YEARS that North Korea and Iran have been coordinating both their missile and nuclear weapons programs. If Iran already has a nuclear weapon, it was most likely built in North Korea.
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Ok. Israel and South Africa both worked to gather until the first test detonated. (They were reportedly already bickering and separated but stayed together till the kids graduated err detonated. (The Israelis could see SA was just a hot mess, and disengaged and disentangled as rapidly as possible.

So North Korea, selling, what China gave them, to the Iranians for missile guidance tech that the Chinese wouldn’t let them have it. Again ( further out onto the little branches) the Chinese reportedly were seriously pissed when they found out about it.

The Chinese thought they were clever: give the bomb to the little pudgy guy from the Hermit Kingdom to shut him up and upset the Americans. However with no delivery system…<snickers> … ”oh shit!” (however you say that in whatever language they’re speaking these days in Peking.) when they learnt the Iranians gave guidance systems to the North Koreans who promptly fitted it to and test fired Chinese missiles.

(At least that how I understand it)

There was also the East Germany connection….

My take, slight variations on the players parts in the intrigue but same players, same result.
 
Torch said:
Ok. Israel and South Africa both worked to gather until the first test detonated. (They were reportedly already bickering and separated but stayed together till the kids graduated err detonated. (The Israelis could see SA was just a hot mess, and disengaged and disentangled as rapidly as possible.

So North Korea, selling, what China gave them, to the Iranians for missile guidance tech that the Chinese wouldn’t let them have it. Again ( further out onto the little branches) the Chinese reportedly were seriously pissed when they found out about it.

The Chinese thought they were clever: give the bomb to the little pudgy guy from the Hermit Kingdom to shut him up and upset the Americans. However with no delivery system…<snickers> … ”oh shit!” (however you say that in whatever language they’re speaking these days in Peking.) when they learnt the Iranians gave guidance systems to the North Koreans who promptly fitted it to and test fired Chinese missiles.

(At least that how I understand it)

There was also the East Germany connection….

My take, slight variations on the players parts in the intrigue but same players, same result.
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Add to that the possibility (I can't prove this) that when the original Iran nuclear deal was struck, the Iranians simply moved their research program to North Korea so they would appear to be in compliance.
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
Iran is probably looking at how the US is handling Russia/Ukraine. Though the US seems to be more willing to fight when it comes to the ME.
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I think it would be a mistake for Iran to make that assumption.
 
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DarkNoon said:
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US Senator John Fetterman said he supports a military strike to destroy Iran’s remaining nuclear facilities, in an interview published Friday by Israel Hayom. “Yes, blow it up. I support that.” he said.

Fetterman said he sees a “once-in-a-generation opportunity” to act, adding that Iran has proven incapable of preventing such a move. “I don't think one can really conduct effective negotiations with this regime,” he said.

Asked about reports that US President Donald Trump is seeking a new nuclear deal with Iran, Fetterman said such efforts would likely fail, as “the Iranians don't even want to talk.”
https://twitter.com/x/status/1903125854302978358

👆@DEFCON Warning System @RiffRaff @Irag8er @Torch Bipartisan support to attack Iran nuke facilities growing it seems.
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Look Fetterman in a suit and tie!!
I’m sorry. I’m bad I just couldn’t pass it up🤣.
I’m glad he’s standing up
 
If attacks in Iran nuke facilities where ever going to happen I think right now it is more possible then it ever has been in the past. Particularly given Hamas & Hezbollah have been severly beaten down and Irans loss of Syria.

In my opinion... We are reaching the point of now or never regarding putting a stop of their progress towards an functioning and deliverable atom bomb.
 
DarkNoon said:
If attacks in Iran nuke facilities where ever going to happen I think right now it is more possible then it ever has been in the past. Particularly given Hamas & Hezbollah have been severly beaten down and Irans loss of Syria.

In my opinion... We are reaching the point of now or never regarding putting a stop of their progress towards an functioning and deliverable atom bomb.
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I believe this given remarks and asset movement. As of today two strike groups moving to the M.E. Trump and Rubio saying if Iran doesn't come to table they will take action. Not vague threats those are direct threats.
 
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DarkNoon said:
I believe this given remakes and asset movement. As of today two strike groups moving to the M.E. Trump and Rubio saying if Iran doesn't come to table they will take action. Not vague threats those are direct threats.
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In my opinion, Iran already has the bomb (from Russia or North Korea). Iran's statement to the US "do what you want"
If this statement is true, then they already have it, Israel would be in grave danger, as would the entire region.
 
GBS61 said:
In my opinion, Iran already has the bomb (from Russia or North Korea). Iran's statement to the US "do what you want"
If this statement is true, then they already have it, Israel would be in grave danger, as would the entire region.
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Iraq leaders where told by US officials that their airspace will be used in future attacks against Iran Nuclear Facilities *IF* Iran refuses to come to the negotiating table in which as of to date Iran has told Trump to essentially bug off.

So it's already in motion imo. Now given two strike groups being moved into the M.E being announced writes it on the wall imo.

Yea they (US) can say the moving of 2 more strike groups to the M.E is for Houthis BUT what we have there is already enough to combat them.

So... Just putting everything together that has been said past couple weeks from Trump, Rubio, and Iran itself paints a clear picture of future military escalation between Iran & US.
 
DarkNoon said:
Iraq leaders where told by US officials that their airspace will be used in future attacks against Iran Nuclear Facilities *IF* Iran refuses to come to the negotiating table in which as of to date Iran has told Trump to essentially bug off.

So it's already in motion imo. Now given two strike groups being moved into the M.E being announced writes it on the wall imo.

Yea they (US) can say the moving of 2 more strike groups to the M.E is for Houthis BUT what we have there is already enough to combat them.

So... Just putting everything together that has been said past couple weeks from Trump, Rubio, and Iran itself paints a clear picture of future military escalation between Iran & US.
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My second reason is that it would infuriate Russia.
Trump is very keen on the Russia-Ukraine peace agreement. It all depends on
what Trump thinks, whether the peace agreement is possible or not. Personally, I don't believe in this agreement. The chances of a US attack on Iran are 50%, according to my assessment.
 
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