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American Airlines Flight 5342 an Black Hawk Collision (&) Rescue Air Ambulance Learjet 55 Crash - UPDATES
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Webcam at the Kennedy Center caught an explosion mid-air across the Potomac.
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Audio between PAT25 and DCA tower asking if they have the CRJ in sight. Affirms and requests visual separation.
At least 18 bodies were recovered by 11:30 p.m. ET, as search and rescue efforts continued in the Potomac River, according to a police official at the scene. A passenger plane and helicopter collided near Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport outside Washington D.C.
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New images are being released showing helicopter shots of rescue boats surrounding a crumpled fuselage section from AA Flight 5342 floating in the Potomac river.
Grim update from News4's Mark Segraves just now on @NBCwashington reporting that the DC Office of the Chief Medical Examiner is preparing for the largest recovery of bodies in decades.
Officials are “preparing for this to be the deadliest disaster here in Washington in decades” following passenger plane and army helicopter collision on Potomac River, according to CNN.
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Officials are “preparing for this to be the deadliest disaster here in Washington in decades” following passenger plane and army helicopter collision on Potomac River, according to CNN.
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Mary Schiavo — former Dept. of Transportation inspector general — with a reality check on CNN:
“Air traffic controllers do not come and go with the change of an administration … The politics of the situation should have had no impact whatsoever on air traffic controllers”.
“Air traffic controllers do not come and go with the change of an administration … The politics of the situation should have had no impact whatsoever on air traffic controllers”.
PRESIDENT TRUMP: “The airplane was on a perfect and routine line of approach to the airport. The helicopter was going straight at the airplane for an extended period of time. It is a CLEAR NIGHT, the lights on the plane were blazing, why didn't the helicopter go up or down, or turn.”
“Why didn't the control tower tell the helicopter what to do instead of asking if they saw the plane. This is a bad situation that looks like it should have been prevented. NOT GOOD!!!”.
“Why didn't the control tower tell the helicopter what to do instead of asking if they saw the plane. This is a bad situation that looks like it should have been prevented. NOT GOOD!!!”.
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Except this if it’s a past ongoing problem.
You can bet this is going to be an issue considering the recording of the aircraft controller recording.
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IMHO and premature too , I believe that they will fault the controller to the point of multiple dismissals. They could have and should have prevented this accident.
However (you had to know this was a coming) the actual fault lies completely on the helicopter pilot.
As a Helicopter Pilot, you operate in non standard ways a very low altitude making orbits and landings in offsite areas. It is the helicopters job to see and avoid (up to the point of just landing in place for a few moments). Also landing aircraft have the right of way regardless of type. Order of preference is, from the bottom: Rotor, Vertol, fixed, glider, airship, ballon. (Edited because it was misleading)The higher on the list ALWAYS gives way to the lower on the list.
All four of these morons driving missed flashing anti-collision lights at nights and apparently had zero situational awareness. At night, gauging depth (range) is enormously difficult and you should just steer clear of each other by about 5 miles or so. That will put them over one minute away from a collision. Close enough with nonparticipating aircraft.
Flying a helicopter is like having you car in reverse in a parking lot. Even If someone hits you, it’s you fault.
IMO the depth perception of the tapes is off as the helicopter can almost never catch a plane. It’s approach speed is probably higher than the helicopters current speed. (The BlackHawk balls to the wall, lightly loaded, in cold weather, can reach the aircraft’s landing speed. What I getting at is the Black Hawk more or less pulled in front of the landing aircraft and was hit by it
I am guessing <with no real facts> that the Hawk pulled in front of a landing aircraft which promptly descended on top of it, into the rotors (ouch ouch ouch)
This tends to reduce the airworthiness of the helicopter to a rock suspended under a frisbee, and that rock just lost the frisbee and then there’s the exploding plane (super sonic blade tips into the fuel tanks can set the JP-5 up for conversion to heat). It also possible that it compromised the crew compartment on the plane (frog in blender, hit pulse: same result)
Probably the only people to survive, until impact are in the tail which smacked water as hard as concrete and then sank, drowning them, I hope, while unconscious.
I was an Aviation Safety and Accident Investigator for the US DOD. I know just enough to be very wrong here.
My 2¢ YMMV
However (you had to know this was a coming) the actual fault lies completely on the helicopter pilot.
As a Helicopter Pilot, you operate in non standard ways a very low altitude making orbits and landings in offsite areas. It is the helicopters job to see and avoid (up to the point of just landing in place for a few moments). Also landing aircraft have the right of way regardless of type. Order of preference is, from the bottom: Rotor, Vertol, fixed, glider, airship, ballon. (Edited because it was misleading)The higher on the list ALWAYS gives way to the lower on the list.
All four of these morons driving missed flashing anti-collision lights at nights and apparently had zero situational awareness. At night, gauging depth (range) is enormously difficult and you should just steer clear of each other by about 5 miles or so. That will put them over one minute away from a collision. Close enough with nonparticipating aircraft.
Flying a helicopter is like having you car in reverse in a parking lot. Even If someone hits you, it’s you fault.
IMO the depth perception of the tapes is off as the helicopter can almost never catch a plane. It’s approach speed is probably higher than the helicopters current speed. (The BlackHawk balls to the wall, lightly loaded, in cold weather, can reach the aircraft’s landing speed. What I getting at is the Black Hawk more or less pulled in front of the landing aircraft and was hit by it
I am guessing <with no real facts> that the Hawk pulled in front of a landing aircraft which promptly descended on top of it, into the rotors (ouch ouch ouch)
This tends to reduce the airworthiness of the helicopter to a rock suspended under a frisbee, and that rock just lost the frisbee and then there’s the exploding plane (super sonic blade tips into the fuel tanks can set the JP-5 up for conversion to heat). It also possible that it compromised the crew compartment on the plane (frog in blender, hit pulse: same result)
Probably the only people to survive, until impact are in the tail which smacked water as hard as concrete and then sank, drowning them, I hope, while unconscious.
I was an Aviation Safety and Accident Investigator for the US DOD. I know just enough to be very wrong here.
My 2¢ YMMV
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and your right there was a lot of questions that came up how in the hell did the control tower not alert the chopper that they were in the flight path and why was the chopper in the flight path to begin with.
Virginia Gov. Glenn Youngkin tells Fox: American Airlines flight 5342 is “inverted in water” and has “broken into pieces” in the Potomac.
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