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Pay to play (if you are able).

Charged England for everything we sent them WW2. They paid in gold till the entire British empire was badly depleted. After trade bars, we took intellectual property (like radar, or internal combustion engine tweaks) then we took land. Lots of it. Mostly long, very long and repeating leases.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens if Britain gives Diego Garcia back to the natives because the US damn sure isn’t given up It’s half of the island.

Point is if we charge Briton what would ever make you thing it free? There is nothing wrong with charging other countries for equipment.
 
Point is if we charge Briton what would ever make you thing it free? There is nothing wrong with charging other countries for equipment.
Fact check: nearly 70 percent of US money for Ukraine actually went to US defense industry to replenish the stocks of OLD stuff that went to Ukraine to use.

Much of which we would have paid to destroy as their lifespan expired.


All aid to Ukraine was not free. It was loaned set to be paid back much like your reference to UK & WWII. Ontop of that well over 70% of manufacturing or weapons for Ukraine happened inside the US. While at same time making money off old hardware we where going to destroy anyways! Essentially paying somewhat for our upgrades, while knocking down Russia every step of the way! Was a win win. GOP are blind as hell and have been totally infiltrated by Russian appeasement propoganda. Very shrill, mind boggling.
 
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Fact check: nearly 70 percent of US money for Ukraine actually went to US defense industry to replenish the stocks of OLD stuff that went to Ukraine to use.

Much of which we would have paid to destroy as their lifespan expired.


All aid to Ukraine was not free. It was loaned set to be paid back much like your reference to UK & WWII. Ontop of that well over 70% of manufacturing or weapons for Ukraine happened inside the US. While at same time making money off old hardware we where going to destroy anyways! Essentially paying somewhat for our upgrades! GOP are blind as hell and have been totally infiltrated by Russian appeasement propoganda. Very shrill, mind boggling.
The “old stuff” is called war stocks and it s what we would use until industry catches up. Until it is physically expended or replaced it has value.

If it was actually 30% Fine. Give us the 30% in cash. They are paying the EU but expect the US to be gratis. It’s not. It’s at a step discount but not zero.
 
Fact check: nearly 70 percent of US money for Ukraine actually went to US defense industry to replenish the stocks of OLD stuff that went to Ukraine to use.

Much of which we would have paid to destroy as their lifespan expired.


All aid to Ukraine was not free. It was loaned set to be paid back much like your reference to UK & WWII. Ontop of that well over 70% of manufacturing or weapons for Ukraine happened inside the US. While at same time making money off old hardware we where going to destroy anyways! Essentially paying somewhat for our upgrades, while knocking down Russia every step of the way! Was a win win. GOP are blind as hell and have been totally infiltrated by Russian appeasement propoganda. Very shrill, mind boggling.
This right here is the best systematic and real world defense for war profiteering via the military industrial complex.

“Well we have old war stocks, what do we do with them?”

“How about let’s extend the hot mess stalemated war between Russia and Ukraine”

“That’s a great idea, how much do you think we could rotate out and get orders to replenish stocks. Because Americans “need” jobs and bonus’s will be great”

You’re actually defending not trying to negotiate a peace deal because the US is benefiting from military weapons sales.


Might want to rethink actively not using jobs at home, inventory management, and manufacturing growth as examples of why
WAR is GOOD.
Wellll If not good, reason enough to keep the fight going.

I will say what I’ve basically said since last spring.
If their is no viable plan to win this MF, then it’s time to look for resolutions.

There has been no plan for 3 years.
We’ve trickle fed weapons systems to Ukraine.
Seemingly cut off elint as well when too many Russian generals kept dying.
The sanctions especially on the oil where a joke, which were and are the economic engine to Russia staying afloat.
But could we open up our hydrocarbon wells to help our allies and our own citizens. While at the same time depress the price of oil and further limiting further whatever profit Russia might be getting out. Another perfect example of why we never had a systematic plan to help Ukraine win.

So harp all you want about Trump, this and that. Call us all unpatriotic fools, what ever.
No one wanted to win, they thought they could wage another war of attrition and damage Russia. Replace a few war materials and sell a few.

There has been no plan to win, save “fuck Russia” and bolster the military industrial complex. That’s your plan!
I don’t care what Trump does or doesn’t do to end this war.

Because it was lost at the beginning of winner 2023 when the battle lines became a stalemated.
 

U.S. could cut Ukraine’s access to Starlink internet services over minerals, say sources

U.S. negotiators pressing Kyiv for access to Ukraine’s critical minerals have raised the possibility of cutting the country’s access to Elon Musk’s vital Starlink satellite internet system, three sources familiar with the matter told Reuters.
The issue was raised again on Thursday during meetings between Keith Kellogg, the U.S. special Ukraine envoy, and Zelenskiy, said one of the sources, who was briefed on the talks.
During the meeting, Ukraine was told it faced imminent shutoff of the service if it did not reach a deal on critical minerals, said the source, who requested anonymity to discuss closed negotiations.
“Ukraine runs on Starlink. They consider it their North Star,” said the source. “Losing Starlink ... would be a massive blow.”
 

The end of the transatlantic alliance​

Europe has lost its way



Europeans complainers about US troops and planes are getting their wish. Enjoy and good luck with your socialism now that you need to pay for defense.
It will be a very good thing for Europe, to get rid of the Americans, Canada will do the same thing, we have everything we need to produce weapons and even the atomic weapon.
Your new alliance will be with Putin's Russia.
Are you happy?
 
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Bloomberg says, citing informed sources, that the Europeans are considering confiscating the frozen assets of the Russian Central Bank..
This shouldn’t be being considered this should’ve been done 3 years ago. If they confiscated all the Russian assets they for they would’ve had hundreds of billions of dollars more they could’ve gave in weapons and assistance. So Europe needs to do it yesterday.
 
real world defense for war profiteering via the military industrial complex.

“Well we have old war stocks, what do we do with them?”

“How about let’s extend the hot mess stalemated war between Russia and Ukraine”
Exactly!

Damn you must have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night

Note: this abstract has nothing to do with anyone position on the war. Also I own defense stocks.

I’m ok with blood for oil if it is a lot of oil and some other nations blood. Feel free to insert gold for Oil or trade bars or rare earth minerals….
 
The rare earth mineral deals is to show China that they cant checkmate US on materials, and I think these peace talks are to figure out if peace is possible when they talk about disarmement or if China and Russia alrdy have set their minds for a future war with the west. ( I could be so old and fossilized that my brain is just stuck and dont understand the new concepts )
 
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China 'Nervous' Over U.S.-Russia Reset


“very senior Chinese officials” since Trump’s election in November who have expressed concern about a potential U.S.-Russia reset.

He says they’ve used the phrase “only Trump goes to Moscow,” a play on the historical reference to former U.S. President Richard Nixon’s landmark visit to Beijing in 1972…”



Fools dream. Russia really has the right "in the bag" if they believe Russia will ever help US against China. 🙄

There may have been a time 30 years ago after their fall. But that's far to late and Russia has done far to much like Genocidal Rampages, a string of territorial wars for the last 15 years (not just Ukraine), put hit jobs on our troops, and so much more to ever be trusted or work with again.

Furthermore Russia will never stop working with China, first they have no reason too, second they been working together for to long to ever sever ties, third to mutually beneficial for them, fouth Russia will never come back to the global market like it use to anyways prior to their full scale unprovoked invasion of Ukraine so US has nothing to truly offer Russia to fully comply with us against China, and Trump isn't forever next president will bring back sanctions against Russia so anything with Trump is not permanent making it even more so Russia has ZERO reason to work with us against China.

The lack of principles and democratic ideologically patriotism, standing with those who share those ideals & against those who work against them, that has shaped and made America great is distrustingly lacking on the right.
 
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