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US appears set on crushing Ukraine capacity to force Zelensky to submit. Never mind that this is a bonfire of leverage v Russia, which has every reason to believe it can dictate terms or reject a ceasefire in the knowledge that Trump is likely to blame Ukraine. Inept negotiating.
Yup.
 
US appears set on crushing Ukraine capacity to force Zelensky to submit. Never mind that this is a bonfire of leverage v Russia, which has every reason to believe it can dictate terms or reject a ceasefire in the knowledge that Trump is likely to blame Ukraine. Inept negotiating.
Yup.
Actually it shows leverage to both sides, if Ukraine doesn’t negotiate they lose aid if Russia doesn’t negotiate Ukraine gets weapons on a scale Russia couldn’t dream of.
 
Actually it shows leverage to both sides, if Ukraine doesn’t negotiate they lose aid if Russia doesn’t negotiate Ukraine gets weapons on a scale Russia couldn’t dream of.
Trump has shown that he gives ZERO FUCKS about whether or not Putin wants peace. If Russia doesn't negotiate he will still abandon Ukraine, the die is cast my friend, this isn't some masterclass in diplomacy. This is the diplomatic fail of the 21st century.
 
Trump has shown that he gives ZERO FUCKS about whether or not Putin wants peace. If Russia doesn't negotiate he will still abandon Ukraine, the die is cast my friend, this isn't some masterclass in diplomacy. This is the diplomatic fail of the 21st century.
He might as well show us the secret protocols now. 🥱

We're running down the clock to WW3. The Baltics and Poland are next - triggering a continental war, which is all but certain to go nuclear. And Russian government figures have repeatedly warned that the US cannot hope to just "sit out" a nuclear war in Europe (translation: we will nuke you too while we're at it).
 
That’s all based upon some pretty thin reasoning and reflection on past actions.

But hey it gives you comfort to believe it.

That you don’t recognize the moves to secure access to rare earth minerals in Ukraine. Or to further block chinas access to additional rare earth minerals. Or loosening the inroads of china’s connections in Russia.
Or more than anything else end a war, a war that Europe has been vocal about but in many nations case been tepid to support or expanding.


If you say attacking NATO I would propose your simply not being honest. Russia has to this point lost in Ukraine a non NATO state. Exactly what kind of success would Russia have in today Poland, Romania, or even the Baltics.

This one dimensional insistence claiming that foreign power dynamics can or should only ever be solved with use of force is disappointing.
Putin is not going to invade nato


Now once again if we are not prepared to say that NATO forces must enter the Ukraine Russian war forthwith. Then What’s your plan? I’ve lost count how many times I’ve asked this question.
How is this war going to be concluded at any point without negotiations, short of the complete collapse of Ukraine. Trumps pandering to Russia it is said
Well it’s probably more effective than potus calling Putin a killer.
For three years virtually no real effort had been a made to negotiate.
Putin has to have nominal win publicly at home or he has absolutely no reason to end this war, none. Without it he will be ousted. Is anyone aware of indications Putin’s support in Russia is flagging?
So keep calling him a killer and sending billions with zero prospects of this being a win for Ukraine or nato. Other of course individuals can say they supported no compromise with the genocidal Putin and Russians must die.
 
This story has been disproven. There’s literally zero reason the British would deliver missiles by cargo ship.
 
He might as well show us the secret protocols now. 🥱

We're running down the clock to WW3. The Baltics and Poland are next - triggering a continental war, which is all but certain to go nuclear. And Russian government figures have repeatedly warned that the US cannot hope to just "sit out" a nuclear war in Europe (translation: we will nuke you too while we're at it).
Please explain how Ukraine, a non NATO member, losing leads to Putin invading NATO member states one of which you named he doesn’t even border. Will Putin invade Ukraine again? Maybe depending on what kind of security guarantees Ukraine gets out of the west. Will he invade Moldova? Maybe depending on what Romania is willing to do for them. But ask yourself one simple question, if Putin is plotting to attack NATO, then why do so many officials say the only way for Ukraine to have peace is for them to join NATO?
 
Now once again if we are not prepared to say that NATO forces must enter the Ukraine Russian war forthwith. Then What’s your plan? I’ve lost count how many times I’ve asked this question.
Because they don’t have one. I’ve asked it many times myself and it’s always let’s support Ukraine till the end. That’s about as good as thoughts and prayers in response to a mass shooting. Either send weapons and let Ukraine win this thing or negotiate. They’ve had 3 years to send weapons and held back every step of the way, they’ve had 11 years since Crimea to build up their militaries in Europe and haven’t, they continued to buy Russian oil after Trump said it was a bad idea. All they have are words and no actions. So either stop the losses while Ukraine still has a country and can say they didn’t lose or continue the status quo of big talk and no action and see how well that works out.
 
that make no sense since there is 10 posting about a ship suppling ukraine sunk and one with food going to ukraine.
Why the hell would you send weapons on a ship through Turkey when you could drive them across the polish border? The only sources claiming it was weapons are Russian of which they have provided you zero pictures you can track the ship online from where it left and where it is.
 
Please explain how Ukraine, a non NATO member, losing leads to Putin invading NATO member states one of which you named he doesn’t even border. Will Putin invade Ukraine again? Maybe depending on what kind of security guarantees Ukraine gets out of the west. Will he invade Moldova? Maybe depending on what Romania is willing to do for them. But ask yourself one simple question, if Putin is plotting to attack NATO, then why do so many officials say the only way for Ukraine to have peace is for them to join NATO?
Russia shares a border with Poland.

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You know what I mean 😂. Russia wouldn’t be able to stage 150,000 troops in Kaliningrad.
They wouldn't invade from Kalingrad. They have turned that shit into a air defense fortress. They just have to hold it long enough for Troops from Belarus and the capitulated Baltic states to connect the Suwalki Gap. Kalingrad is like their knife pointed towards Europe with missiles.
 
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