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Looks like a proximity explosion (no sh*t! I know) however I am going to jump up the tallest tree and go way out on the skinny branches and say that looks all the world like a mini me EFP to moi 😎

Dropped from drones that would be super bad news to thin skins and irritating to disabling with a great deal of bad luck. This would explain the appearance, the size, the lack of shockwave and shrapnel damage on the cars.

I’m puzzled because even without a fragmentation collar (or case) there should have still been plenty of small hits on the cars. On fun sized HEAT rounds or the platter bombs I have seen there is shrapnel aplenty. My personal experience with EFP’s is limited. Language alert: Im looking at you, you Persian motherfucker

This is, from a drone wasted energy and perhaps a synthetic casing can somehow hold up for shaping and is then consumed?

Any highly experienced members out there?

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drones have been used vicariously for psychological operations against civilians on the frontline areas, (totally playing devils advocate here, but they could be using blank/training FPV's to try and either stop civilians from using that road, or to make them think that there is more of an active FPV presence than there actually is, further muddling intelligence being potentially passed from civilians to military personnel.) Looks like terror bombing to screw with civilians mental state IMO though.
 
drones have been used vicariously for psychological operations against civilians on the frontline areas, (totally playing devils advocate here, but they could be using blank/training FPV's to try and either stop civilians from using that road, or to make them think that there is more of an active FPV presence than there actually is, further muddling intelligence being potentially passed from civilians to military personnel.) Looks like terror bombing to screw with civilians mental state IMO though.
That was actually my first thought. I even pondered if it was a Russian equivalent of an IDF knock-Knock warning.
 
Russia reportedly readying nuclear-powered cruise missile test.
Nuclear thermal rocket engines do not have a virtual unlimited range or loitering time.
It theoretically is much better than traditional jet engines.
A nuclear thermal rocket engine still has to carry a chemical that is heated expands and creates thrust. Traditionally this has been hydrogen. No hydrogen no thrust.
 
Nuclear thermal rocket engines do not have a virtual unlimited range or loitering time.
It theoretically is much better than traditional jet engines.
A nuclear thermal rocket engine still has to carry a chemical that is heated expands and creates thrust. Traditionally this has been hydrogen. No hydrogen no thrust.
The US has been up and down this road. With the exception of space, there are too many pitfalls with this type of propulsion, mostly crew shielding and airframe recoveries.

Now any UAV will greatly reduce the shielding mass and in the case of cruise missiles and drones leave a radiated mess at the point of impact, no airframe handling required.

Except you are going to have opponents saying you just used nuclear weapons on them. Thing about how upset the world gets about the United States use of depleted uranium penetrators. They are most decidedly not a nuclear chain reaction in any way shape, form or fashion, but simply a mineral (with significant health risks for cleanup)


It’s easier, when the oxidizer is free, and far lighter to burn carbon.
 
Interesting messaging. "Shoot them down, but I'm not sure I'd back you up."
Which is also in contradiction to Mark Rutte this morning who said the alliance would only shoot down jets after doing threat analysis. Also the German minister of defense called for caution around these statements as well after a meeting with the Swedish minister of defense.
 

TRUMP: Ukraine will be able to take back their Country in its original form and, who knows, maybe even go further than that!​

Considering the report last week that the kremlin is stepping up attacks on kyivs energy infrastructure because they don’t expect the US to get involved, I’m guessing they’ll get a laugh out of this. Especially considering Trump is still leaving all of the commitment to the European Union and nothing on the United States.
 

This is who we’re seriously thinking about giving F-35s to, (announced by Pentagon few days ago...) Turkey. Even if they dump the S-400s, the answer is no. Not until the douch (Erdogan) in office is out and Turkey’s electoral theocratic autocracy is rolled back to a real democracy. Hard no. Screw ’em. They shouldn't even be in NATO.
 
(Opinion Piece)

Trump’s latest comments on Ukraine sound like a pivot, but if you strip them down they read more like a step back.

He told NATO allies they could shoot down Russian jets, called Moscow a “paper tiger,” and said Ukraine could “win all of Ukraine back.”

Then he closed with: “I wish both Countries well.” That doesn’t sound like someone about to throw America’s weight behind Kyiv. It sounds like someone moving on.

And unless his words are backed by concrete action, more weapons, tougher sanctions, restored enforcement, they’re hollow.

His line about sending weapons “to NATO for NATO to do what they want with them” was odd. The US is NATO. Treating it like a separate organisation makes it sound like he’s distancing America from the alliance rather than leading it.

Look at the record. The administration shut down Task Force KleptoCapture, the unit that tracked oligarch money. It ended the Ukraine Conflict Observatory, which gathered evidence of deported children. It closed the disinformation office meant to counter Kremlin narratives. They have even recently blocked weapon sales to Denmark.

That’s why European officials immediately read his “Ukraine can win” line as a farewell. His own secretary of state, Marco Rubio, walked it back hours later, saying the war will end at the negotiating table.

So yes, the words sounded tougher. But there’s no new aid, no sanctions push, no material change. Just a hand-off to Europe and NATO.

The test will be what happens next. If the US munitions pipeline stays patchy and the sanctions machine remains dismantled, then this “pivot” is just rhetoric.
 
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America and nato were never going to get directly into conflict with Russia. For obvious reasons. They never will. Russia has this and they know it, the west simply cannot admit it. It isn't about Ukraine it isn't about Russia. The west simply see it nowadays as a money machine. Otherwise they would have moved years ago. 🏦💲💲💲
 
(Opinion Peice)

Trump’s latest comments on Ukraine sound like a pivot, but if you strip them down they read more like a step back.

He told NATO allies they could shoot down Russian jets, called Moscow a “paper tiger,” and said Ukraine could “win all of Ukraine back.”

Then he closed with: “I wish both Countries well.” That doesn’t sound like someone about to throw America’s weight behind Kyiv. It sounds like someone moving on.

And unless his words are backed by concrete action, more weapons, tougher sanctions, restored enforcement, they’re hollow.

His line about sending weapons “to NATO for NATO to do what they want with them” was odd. The US is NATO. Treating it like a separate organisation makes it sound like he’s distancing America from the alliance rather than leading it.

Look at the record. The administration shut down Task Force KleptoCapture, the unit that tracked oligarch money. It ended the Ukraine Conflict Observatory, which gathered evidence of deported children. It closed the disinformation office meant to counter Kremlin narratives. They have even recently blocked weapon sales to Denmark.

That’s why European officials immediately read his “Ukraine can win” line as a farewell. His own secretary of state, Marco Rubio, walked it back hours later, saying the war will end at the negotiating table.

So yes, the words sounded tougher. But there’s no new aid, no sanctions push, no material change. Just a hand-off to Europe and NATO.

The test will be what happens next. If the US munitions pipeline stays patchy and the sanctions machine remains dismantled, then this “pivot” is just rhetoric.
Likely explains provocations by Russia recently, they want to test to see if Trump's recent words are just that and not actions, especially since some equipment has been moved back from Eastern Europe
 

This is who we’re seriously thinking about giving F-35s to, (announced by Pentagon few days ago...) Turkey. Even if they dump the S-400s, the answer is no. Not until the douch (Erdogan) in office is out and Turkey’s electoral theocratic autocracy is rolled back to a real democracy. Hard no. Screw ’em. They shouldn't even be in NATO.
I agree completely with your sentiment. However (you had to know this was coming) The US deal was they dumped the S400s they get F35 of which they were an original participant in the design and production of the aircraft. My understanding is that everyone in NATO was offered them at some point*

If turkey stays in NATO and meets our conditions then unfortunately we need to offer them F35’s. IMO It’s a hell of a shame that Turkey is somewhat unreliable because with the exception of nuclear weapons, they’re the most important country in NATO after the United States in my home opinion. Obviously France, Britain, and then the nuclear weapon lend lease club Germany, the Netherlands, the Italians and a few others are more important.

Turkey builds outstanding weapon systems from holsters to missiles they are as good or better than most European countries. They have the largest army after United States in NATO and they occupy one of the most strategically important locations on the planet.

The shame is you just never know whichTurkey is gonna show up. Axis, turkey, allied turkey, Superhero UN world defender i.e. Korean war or the modern day “we hate Israel” and are only gonna comply with the minimal letter of the law to support NATO?

* Super significant limitations on security, infrastructure, support personnel, minimum purchase size, GDP, and standing in NATO.
That last one’s the one that got turkey kicked out of the F35 initiative. AFAIK.
 
The shame is you just never know whichTurkey is gonna show up. Axis, turkey, allied turkey, Superhero UN world defender i.e. Korean war or the modern day “we hate Israel” and are only gonna comply with the minimal letter of the law to support NATO?
That last one’s the one that got turkey kicked out of the F35 initiative. AFAIK.
This is PRECISELY why we engineered a backdoor into all exported F-35’s. You just never know when your friend will betray you.
 
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