This is why I’m in favor of removing the political section from the forums. Geopolitics is fine, but local/national/party politics? Eh. It takes away from this website’s main purpose, IMO.
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Save The Forums & Remove the Political Subsection
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Unfortunately domestic politics apply to global politics (I.e drug policy leading to military intervention)
Social arguments are less likely to affect things but I do want to point out I do believe America has slipped into fascism and fascism is globally relevant.
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i'm not sure that it would be wise to do that. Sometimes, local politics can influence the global situation (like, image how the current situation would be if Orban, Putin, Zelensky, Trump would've lost the nation election of their countries), so having a place to discuss those is nice.
And also, that section doesn't cause any issue rn afaik, so the forum has nothing to lose by keeping that section
And also, that section doesn't cause any issue rn afaik, so the forum has nothing to lose by keeping that section
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It gets heated and we are only human so it does tend to need heavier moderation, those are the “problems” it causes and it has gotten very unpleasant at times. We are a community which like I said I do often prefer debate here because of that, but when things do get heated it can be more personal or unpleasant when you “know” each other.
There’s just also the history of some debates having got heated enough to discourage participation. Not so much anymore imo but it used to get pretty bad.
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The political section is one of the few places I can read political debates online that are civil and don't end in shit flinging and complete ad hominems. Attempts at it on X just remain attempts and then turn into 'no u'
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I agree even when it gets heated, it usually stays healthier. Ik today I wasn’t the most well behaved myself, but still better than other platforms very often by far things stay civil.
Party politics doesn’t belong here. Any political discussion tied to nuclear threats already fits and is already being discussed under the Geopolitics subsection.
This forum should stay focused on what actually matters which is monitoring and assessing nuclear threats more than ever. Leave the partisan bickering for Twitter.
I get it, I get it, probably won’t happen. But a man can dream, right?
This forum should stay focused on what actually matters which is monitoring and assessing nuclear threats more than ever. Leave the partisan bickering for Twitter.I get it, I get it, probably won’t happen. But a man can dream, right?
You’re just a commie sympathizer, aren’t you?Party politics doesn’t belong here. Any political discussion tied to nuclear threats already fits and is already being discussed under the Geopolitics subsection.
I get it, I get it, probably won’t happen. But a man can dream, right?
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I would prefer to have the Political forum remain because most misbehavior is contained in one area that has nothing to do with military or geopolitical analysis. In my opinion, the "Breaking News" and "Open Source Information" sections are for neutral, non-partisan analysis of information regarding nuclear threats.
Partisan discussions that people think are important can be handled outside of those forums.
Is that a perfect solution? No, of course not. But if we do away with the Politics subforum, everything that normally gets posted there will creep out into the other forums, making our jobs more difficult.
Partisan discussions that people think are important can be handled outside of those forums.
Is that a perfect solution? No, of course not. But if we do away with the Politics subforum, everything that normally gets posted there will creep out into the other forums, making our jobs more difficult.
Just an idea. How about making a entirely separate forums/website for just politics @DEFCON Warning System link it to website and this forums so existing traffic/users will know it exists. Than move/lock political subsection here on these forums and move all political content to another entirely separate forums?
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Cost?
I'll foot it myself.
And I seriously mean it @DEFCON Warning System I'll pay for the new websites URL for 5 years upfront to ensure stability. I know paying for URL (depending) isn't that expensive. As for traffic on your existing mainframe cannot imagine it would strain it. And if it becomes successful than use profits to upgrade server to enable higher traffic.
I see it this way. Opening up new website/forums for politics is risk free for you @DEFCON Warning System and only benefit as I will pay for the new websites URL.
Launching new forums software is free.
If it works you get more money flow to upgrade forums sever including this one for higher traffic which is needed already during a crisis.
If it doesn't work. Again you lost ZERO money. And doing this will also likely create new user feedback loop or a new stream of viewers to this forum as I'd assume you would link these forums to new political forums.
All around more I think about it the more I think staff need to have a serious in house debate on this. @RiffRaff @Irag8er @Torch @Sentry
Not only that a separate forums for politics would or could have more relaxed rules unlike here! You know more freedom of speech which you love @DEFCON Warning System.
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Look the only way I see this new twitter handle becoming successful and in turn The DWS to truly great heights on par with Reuters is through a feedback loop with the forums. People on twitter trying to monitor nuclear threats will see my tweets. Follow and view my profile. Come to forums as forums website is on my twitter website link. Than discuss nuclear threats on the forums. People coming here from twitter are not going to want to see party politics bullshit. They are coming here for nuclear threats, analysis of nuclear threats, and to discuss/monitor them. Something Twitter cannot provide.
If we really want to see The DEFCON Warning System to become a truly respected organization for news and analysis of nuclear threats than these forums needs to drop the political subsection if we want to have a successful future. FULL STOP.
If you wish to keep politics but also wish to see The DWS elevated to a truly world renowned respectable organization like Reuters but for nuclear threats. You have to do this. Either drop politics entirely or make a new forums for it.
Amputate the disease or transplant it so that our reputation may prosper.
@DEFCON Warning System you complain sometimes that you may not be reaching enough people. This is one of the causes. People see the political subsections, than leave, and don't think twice about coming back, as they can get do/see same thing on twitter.
It's literally a business model 101. Focus on what is getting you viewers which is nuclear threats and the analysis of nuclear threats. Hyper specialize in that and forget everything else and we can see some very good true success on level with some of the most major media outlets out there. We can truly fit a market no one is covering and is only going to get more "popular". Hate to use that word. But yea. Let's me the first to truly capitalize on it!!!
Look the only way I see this new twitter handle becoming successful and in turn The DWS to truly great heights on par with Reuters is through a feedback loop with the forums. People on twitter trying to monitor nuclear threats will see my tweets. Follow and view my profile. Come to forums as forums website is on my twitter website link. Than discuss nuclear threats on the forums. People coming here from twitter are not going to want to see party politics bullshit. They are coming here for nuclear threats, analysis of nuclear threats, and to discuss/monitor them. Something Twitter cannot provide.
If we really want to see The DEFCON Warning System to become a truly respected organization for news and analysis of nuclear threats than these forums needs to drop the political subsection if we want to have a successful future. FULL STOP.
If you wish to keep politics but also wish to see The DWS elevated to a truly world renowned respectable organization like Reuters but for nuclear threats. You have to do this. Either drop politics entirely or make a new forums for it.
Amputate the disease or transplant it so that our reputation may prosper.
@DEFCON Warning System you complain sometimes that you may not be reaching enough people. This is one of the causes. People see the political subsections, than leave, and don't think twice about coming back, as they can get do/see same thing on twitter.
It's literally a business model 101. Focus on what is getting you viewers which is nuclear threats and the analysis of nuclear threats. Hyper specialize in that and forget everything else and we can see some very good true success on level with some of the most major media outlets out there. We can truly fit a market no one is covering and is only going to get more "popular". Hate to use that word. But yea. Let's me the first to truly capitalize on it!!!
Not to mention how many. And it's a lot, many regular users/posters, have left the forums because of it as well over the almost 20 years I been here. And I view every register user as a 100 lurkers. As forums has a lot of lurkers. And 99.999 percent of active members where once lurkers too. Including me.
So I and so should you @DEFCON Warning System view 1 active registered member as a 100 lurkers behind them automatically as a statistic. So as you can see, we can naturally assume you have lost unfathomable amount of viewers/lurkers over the political subsection AND likely prevented many more from signing up and becoming active members as well.
So why keep shooting yourself and this organization in the foot by allowing it to continue? Just make another forums for it. Or end it. Please..... For the love of gawd.... Do the natural, logical, correct next step to take this organization to the next level by either removing party politics entirely from forums or making new forums for it.
And please spare me the extremely lame and false excuse people can choose to ignore it. I have already explained why people cannot. "The Latest" subsection makes it unavoidable. Among many other things.
Well I certainly cannot tell the difference what so ever as of the past few years here and this is just wishful thinking by many here holding onto whatever nestolgia they had here discussing politics.
Not to mention...... a lot of the ugly stuff has been removed by staff before it could be viewed by most viewers. So assume your unaware of a lot of what I am referencing here.
Even here it has become LITERALLY no different than twitter. Politics is a dead toxic waste zone and that is no exception here on these forums.
End party politics on forums if we want to see a better future here for The DWS with untold prosperity and respect. Or stay in this lane and never grow. I have given a off ramp to keep politics AND pay for it by making separate forums for politics exclusively. Otherwise. Again. For the love of gawd please do your organization and it's future a favor and end it. @DEFCON Warning System
You have tried everything right @DEFCON Warning System to grow right? You have said so publicly. Well. Here is something you have not tried yet and I'm willing to foot the new bill for the new forums for politics.
The twitter handle can only become so successful so long the forums are. In order for this to become a successful feedback loop we need provided ONLY what people come here for that they cannot get on twitter. Full stop.
Also I do not expect staff comments and infact implore staff to take this matter private and discuss it in staff subsection for a serious debate.
Take days, weeks, even months. But this needs to happen if we want to see a brighter future.
The twitter handle can only become so successful so long the forums are. In order for this to become a successful feedback loop we need provided ONLY what people come here for that they cannot get on twitter. Full stop.Also I do not expect staff comments and infact implore staff to take this matter private and discuss it in staff subsection for a serious debate.
Take days, weeks, even months. But this needs to happen if we want to see a brighter future.
Another idea @DEFCON Warning System what if the Political subsection was a invite/request viewership only. Sorta like Patron corner.
Only members that ask will be given access to a invisible sub forum for politics that only registered users that ask for it will see an be able to participate in it?
This is a wonderful idea!!!!
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Ok ffs, the president just said he wants to start testing nuclear weapons again, that’s partisan US politics directly leading to nuclear relevant threats in what would be a norm shattering restart to the constant threat of nuclear war, directly because of who the American public voted for. Get used to party politics effecting the nuclear landscape.
And I really I have tried not to be this direct, but the constant ranting over the politics section is an extension of the same behavior that lead to you having to stop with politics. I understand your opinion. You’ve stated it plenty. We all have heard it again and again.
And I really I have tried not to be this direct, but the constant ranting over the politics section is an extension of the same behavior that lead to you having to stop with politics. I understand your opinion. You’ve stated it plenty. We all have heard it again and again.
Nuclear testing. It is purely & hyper exclusively military/geopolitical news. Not in anyways party politics. Your excuse is entirely invalid.
Next empty excuse to keep this disease on the forums? Again, a forums ONLY meant for nuclear threats and the analysis of it....
People DO NOT instinctively click the DWS forums for something they can read or participate on twitter. Party politics hurts bussines. Full, gawd damn, fricken, stop.
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