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United States Civil War 2 - Possible?

Sidney Reilly

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Jan. 26, 2026 (Akhazeera) The Take: Minnesota, ICE and the makings of a US civil war

Jan. 21, 2026 (The Guardian) We ran high-level US civil war simulations. Minnesota is exactly how they start

2 Weeks ago (MSN) America civil war fears as Minnesota threatens Trump's rule of law after US citizen killed

My feeling, it is possible after the 2nd killing of a protester who brought a gun to a protest with armed federal agents and possible deployment of federal troops to the area. I hope and pray I'm very wrong.
 
Jan. 26, 2026 (Akhazeera) The Take: Minnesota, ICE and the makings of a US civil war

Jan. 21, 2026 (The Guardian) We ran high-level US civil war simulations. Minnesota is exactly how they start

2 Weeks ago (MSN) America civil war fears as Minnesota threatens Trump's rule of law after US citizen killed

My feeling, it is possible after the 2nd killing of a protester who brought a gun to a protest with armed federal agents and possible deployment of federal troops to the area. I hope and pray I'm very wrong.
Don't see this as a reason for civil war just yet. Usually caused from other reasons ?
 
The possibility exists. Civil war would have been significantly more likely had Kamala Harris been elected president (recall that talk of secession was already gaining momentum in some GOP-dominated state legislatures - notably TX - prior to that event) - but it remains possible still.

Secessionism in the USA has always been mostly a southern phenomenon, and mainly restricted to "red" states (with the possible exception of CA). And you arguably need secession to have a proper civil war (meaning - a symmetric conflict between two comparable armed forces). As things stand, it occurs to me that the USA is more likely to go the way of Iran, i.e. suffer large and violent civil protests which the government will attempt to violently suppress. Recent events certainly bring that eventuality closer. That, however, would be more appropriately described as a revolution rather than a civil war.
 
Want to offer fair warning here: this is a highly sensitive and polarizing topic and I want to remind everyone to keep partisan politics away as much as possible. We want to encourage people to participate in discussion, and would rather not lock threads about important topics such as this.
 
I was thinking of asking the same question, before I didn´t think it was possible.. Now I am actually thinking that it could be a possibility when the US is having its midterm elections. ( it depends how it is conducted, and the afterward responce - but I am still giving it a "not likely chance" ) But what do the US citizen that are on this forum think?
 
It's not gonna happen. Maybe national but still localized riots perhaps but no civil war. Social media and our adversaries are sure making it seem the opposite though in the minds of many Americans sadly. Who knew it would be the internet to knock down America of it's high horse and not bombs.
 
To little to late to do anything about it. Where just going to have to let the stupid people fight it out in the streets sort of darwin crap. I say sooner the better, let them have at each other and lock up the rest still standing afterwards in any regional localized riots.

Then after the radicalized have been dealt with either by each other or locked up, then moderates can finally take back control of this country and some God damn common sense can take root again in this nation once the radicals been dealt with.

Maybe I'm being cynical maybe I'm not. 🤔 But as they say, you can't fix stupid. So. Let it come to a head and mop up what's left of the lots. Then finally move on, pick up the pieces, and rebuild.
 
Not the first time either this nations gone through something similar. Hell, entire cities have been burned to the ground in riots before in the past, rather recent history too.

So. No civil war. Civil unrest? Yes, most likely. But I see maybe a chance to move on if mass civil unrest does occur, as in the past, won't be pretty though. History really does repeat itself in morbid ways...
 
I think it is more likely our neighbor to the north will end up in a civil war than us. IMO
 
Not like the kind people imagine, I don’t imagine secessionism or direct confrontation of millitary and militia, I do expect political violence to continue to climb and climb more rapidly, I expect unrest could get to extreme levels, I believe there will be a collapse of the empire soon enough, but I do not believe land-based civil war. It will be father vs son type stuff, possibly high levels of asymmetric warfare like sabotage, hacktivism, resource theft, that may end up being described as a civil war but would be more like a Russian revolution that leads to a destruction of the empire not expansion.
 
Not like the kind people imagine, I don’t imagine secessionism or direct confrontation of millitary and militia, I do expect political violence to continue to climb and climb more rapidly, I expect unrest could get to extreme levels, I believe there will be a collapse of the empire soon enough, but I do not believe land-based civil war. It will be father vs son type stuff, possibly high levels of asymmetric warfare like sabotage, hacktivism, resource theft, that may end up being described as a civil war but would be more like a Russian revolution that leads to a destruction of the empire not expansion.
You forgot assassination of local political leaders or activist.
You know Charlie Kirk. Might not have like him but that was exactly what that was.

No one can say how what or if. What is certain is more political violence and disruption.
There is no clean geographical lines for a larger war. Think guerrilla war between urban and rural.
Any region or urban center could be brought to its knees with coordinated infrastructure sabotage.
Acts like that create all kinds of unintended consequences as well as secondary and tertiary reactions.

You think there aren’t multiple thousands individuals out there who could access resources and have the knowledge on how to drop a modern four lane bridge. Or what nodes on the California or eastern seaboard grid to take it off line.

I was reminded during last weekends snow storm and cold. Half a dozen key infrastructure nodes taken out and thousand would have died indirectly.

My point, we’re all faced with a FAFO inflection point.

Sadly most don’t really care. Care to even consider if it could happen.
Or even smart enough to be concerned that it might.

Politically my state is not looking at one intra-state secessionist movements but two. One third of the state want to secede to Indiana and the other 1/3 to Iowa. In down state all of the local sheriff departments but one has publicly refused to enforce the new state gun laws.

Immigration fix it or shut the FU. If that means departing every single undocumented person in the nation. So be it. Because we’re tired of seeing immigration AND immigrants used as political tools.
Rail at republicans for making immigration an election issue.
Look to yourself for allowing everyone else use it for their own political aims.

And that is what everyone on all sides are doing right now.
Be outraged that an ICE agent shoots a protestor and ignore your own culpability for using immigration and the non-enforcement of laws and yeah common sense towards your own political agenda
 
To little to late to do anything about it. Where just going to have to let the stupid people fight it out in the streets sort of darwin crap. I say sooner the better, let them have at each other and lock up the rest still standing afterwards in any regional localized riots.

Then after the radicalized have been dealt with either by each other or locked up, then moderates can finally take back control of this country and some God damn common sense can take root again in this nation once the radicals been dealt with.

Maybe I'm being cynical maybe I'm not. 🤔 But as they say, you can't fix stupid. So. Let it come to a head and mop up what's left of the lots. Then finally move on, pick up the pieces, and rebuild.
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You forgot assassination of local political leaders or activist.
You know Charlie Kirk. Might not have like him but that was exactly what that was.

No one can say how what or if. What is certain is more political violence and disruption.
There is no clean geographical lines for a larger war. Think guerrilla war between urban and rural.
Any region or urban center could be brought to its knees with coordinated infrastructure sabotage.
Acts like that create all kinds of unintended consequences as well as secondary and tertiary reactions.

You think there aren’t multiple thousands individuals out there who could access resources and have the knowledge on how to drop a modern four lane bridge. Or what nodes on the California or eastern seaboard grid to take it off line.

I was reminded during last weekends snow storm and cold. Half a dozen key infrastructure nodes taken out and thousand would have died indirectly.

My point, we’re all faced with a FAFO inflection point.

Sadly most don’t really care. Care to even consider if it could happen.
Or even smart enough to be concerned that it might.

Politically my state is not looking at one intra-state secessionist movements but two. One third of the state want to secede to Indiana and the other 1/3 to Iowa. In down state all of the local sheriff departments but one has publicly refused to enforce the new state gun laws.

Immigration fix it or shut the FU. If that means departing every single undocumented person in the nation. So be it. Because we’re tired of seeing immigration AND immigrants used as political tools.
Rail at republicans for making immigration an election issue.
Look to yourself for allowing everyone else use it for their own political aims.

And that is what everyone on all sides are doing right now.
Be outraged that an ICE agent shoots a protestor and ignore your own culpability for using immigration and the non-enforcement of laws and yeah common sense towards your own political agenda
I’m not gonna debate opinions here, mods are antsy about it these days, but the choice to continue to see immigration as a problem that needs solving is exactly the type of stuff that causes irreconcilable divides, there’s no way to make some peoples right to exist analytical or non-partisan.

The collapse of an empire is never pretty, civil war is bloody and many die. The choice to de-escalate is there but shrinking.

There’s nowhere safe nor truly independent - economic activity in cities subsidizes grain production which is the backbone of meat production, breakdown of water management leads to worse crop yields, breakdown of supply chains mean fertilizer shortages. There’s nothing regional about regional breakdown in a society, it’s like a bad gear. People have great capacity to destroy.

The problem with where we are is when state power is used to define whether some should exist in this country, that will lead to some people believing the state doesn’t have a right to exist.
 
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I don't think there will be a CW 2, but what will come will eventually be worse

my theory is based on humanity, people are trying to feed their kids, they want to go to work make money, come home enjoy life, crack open some beer and watch the game on TV, they want to try and save some money buy some nice things and live. a lot of people live a nice life and are just trying to get by, its human nature to want to protect what you have, sure the extremes might go at it, but the normal regular person that is just trying to put food on the table for their kids is most likely not going to "kit up" and go off to CW 2.

The extremists on both sides might go at it, and when the middle everyday people see that the real enemy is extremism on either side, the masses will cry for the craziness to end , and then we will get what we fear a government that controls the people and takes freedom away.


and I am willing to say it will not matter if there is a "R" or a "D" next to the name of the president president, either side will do it in a heart beat, look at what each president has done, slowly turn by turn each of them have done things to limit freedoms, the truth is the politicians act like enemies on TV but behind closed doors they are all one and they are working together. They keep the fight alive so the masses fight each other.

people are so focused that the other side is the enemy people won't stop and look that the politicians dont care about you and they are all working together, they put on a show, rally the base that supports them, promise the world if you vote for them and then deliver nothing.

I am tired of the left and right BS, the two greatest threats to this country are 1) extremism from any side and 2) politicians.

the politicians (both sides) will not cry over people killed, every politicians still gets their money and their easy life, its all an act for them, they do not care about any of us. and the left vs right battle is just playing into their hands.

like I said just a theory of what might happen and my feelings.
 
I’m not gonna debate opinions here, mods are antsy about it these days, but the choice to continue to see immigration as a problem that needs solving is exactly the type of stuff that causes irreconcilable divides
We are under considerable stress to limit what was, for years, normal.

The learning curve for old hands will be steep. I appreciate your awareness and behavior. Thank you.

This page is constantly bordering on its way out of bounds. ATM it all seems ok. But be aware The DWS Forums will be less and less tolerant of politically anchored speech. For example this would not be appropriate if the subject was Brazil. (Totally random, but non nuclear power)

This thread is only allowed as it applies to a Nuclear armed State facing a deep civil destabilization or war.

Thank you all for keeping the lid on it.☢️
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I don't think there will be a CW 2, but what will come will eventually be worse

my theory is based on humanity, people are trying to feed their kids, they want to go to work make money, come home enjoy life, crack open some beer and watch the game on TV, they want to try and save some money buy some nice things and live. a lot of people live a nice life and are just trying to get by, its human nature to want to protect what you have, sure the extremes might go at it, but the normal regular person that is just trying to put food on the table for their kids is most likely not going to "kit up" and go off to CW 2.

The extremists on both sides might go at it, and when the middle everyday people see that the real enemy is extremism on either side, the masses will cry for the craziness to end , and then we will get what we fear a government that controls the people and takes freedom away.


and I am willing to say it will not matter if there is a "R" or a "D" next to the name of the president president, either side will do it in a heart beat, look at what each president has done, slowly turn by turn each of them have done things to limit freedoms, the truth is the politicians act like enemies on TV but behind closed doors they are all one and they are working together. They keep the fight alive so the masses fight each other.

people are so focused that the other side is the enemy people won't stop and look that the politicians dont care about you and they are all working together, they put on a show, rally the base that supports them, promise the world if you vote for them and then deliver nothing.

I am tired of the left and right BS, the two greatest threats to this country are 1) extremism from any side and 2) politicians.

the politicians (both sides) will not cry over people killed, every politicians still gets their money and their easy life, its all an act for them, they do not care about any of us. and the left vs right battle is just playing into their hands.

like I said just a theory of what might happen and my feelings.
Something many populations suffer from their governments .
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I’m not gonna debate opinions here, mods are antsy about it these days
I understand their nervousness; it's possible that the current US administration is monitoring this site. This administration doesn't really like criticism, especially if a moderator is an American citizen.
 
Don't see this as a reason for civil war just yet. Usually caused from other reasons ?
The killing of Crispus Attucks by British troops is largely considered the beginning of the American Revolutionary War. The assassination of Archduke Ferdinand sparked WWI. It only takes one act of violence to start a war, guys. Problem is, we won't know it until weeks or months after it happens.
 
By the way, I'm going to echo Torch here in thanking everyone for keeping the discussion civil. There have been a few borderline comments, but I'm much more likely to let them slide as long as things don't escalate. I appreciate the effort everyone is putting into this. Thank you. 🖖
 
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