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US-Israel/Iran | Peace Holds Reluctantly

I'm sorry, then how exactly is it going to be similar to the Korean War? We are still effectively in a grey zone.
No more or less than the Korean war was when it first took its steps to cessation of hostilities even if not officially decreed or signed.

Again please tell me anywhere in this entire thread where I ever said there would be a DMZ I never did but I'll wait for you to tell me where I did even remotely, though I never did even closely or remotely imply a DMZ. 😂

I said like how the Korean war ended not exactly how the Korean War ended.
 
I said like how the Korean war ended not exactly how the Korean War ended. Please ready my posts fully before responding after you read a first paragraph. 😂
And I'm trying to pry a bit sure, and see what exactly you are comparing. You still will not explain what is so similar or how this conflict has effectively concluded in the same way.
 
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And I'm trying to pry a bit sure, and see what exactly you are comparing. You still will not explain what is so similar or how this conflict has effectively concluded in the same way.
Please read my posts fully before responding after you read a first paragraph and respond out of party propaganda rage. 😂 clearly you not read anything I have said as I laid out clearly how it is similar.
 
And I'm trying to pry a bit sure, and see what exactly you are comparing. You still will not explain what is so similar or how this conflict has effectively concluded in the same way.
So you can't find where I said there would be a DMZ? Right? Because I never implied or even said it. So please. Just stop trying to derail very valid criticism over America policy over many decades.
 
Trump has been calling for the cessation of the Iranian Regime anytime something goes wrong in any talks. Why are we so certain that he will give a damn what agreement is signed if he get's humiliated. I'm just saying there were plenty more people in congress that wanted us out of Korea than they do us out of the Persian Gulf, the comparison that this conflict is set in stone like Korea, isn't really there when this conflict affects the global supply chain and some of the most influential groups of people the most, instead of a disillusioned conflict in the Korean Peninsula. I definitely don't think our administration has a great direction on where they want to go with this but we are not going to abandon the potential threat of Iran getting a nuclear weapon as a nation, or at the very least the power brokers in Washington will always realize the value of that threat.
 
Trump has been calling for the cessation of the Iranian Regime anytime something goes wrong in any talks. Why are we so certain that he will give a damn what agreement is signed if he get's humiliated. I'm just saying there were plenty more people in congress that wanted us out of Korea than they do us out of the Persian Gulf, the comparison that this conflict is set in stone like Korea, isn't really there when this conflict affects the global supply chain and some of the most influential groups of people the most, instead of a disillusioned conflict in the Korean Peninsula. I definitely don't think our administration has a great direction on where they want to go with this but we are not going to abandon the potential threat of Iran getting a nuclear weapon as a nation, or at the very least the power brokers in Washington will always realize the value of that threat.
Suppose we can agree to see each other points. Just not how we got here.

My belief is that Americans forgot they where a empire and then wanted to have their cake and eat it too.... Then complain they don't have the empire benefits anymore.

Yours is slightly different HOWEVER we end up at the same conclusion IMHO.
 
As long as President Trump is in office we don't know how this will end. Yes, he is being too patient, hopefully that ends soon.
 
As long as President Trump is in office we don't know how this will end. Yes, he is being too patient, hopefully that ends soon.
Without the people or congress support this will not go anywhere and in my opinion will end much like the Korean war did granted probably not with the DMZ but with unfinished business that never gets solved. With the occasional tit for tat for simply a dick measuring contests between both nations. Much like the Korean theater is today.

DPRK fires missiles over Japan or in the sea or Japan then we do military drills. Tit for tat exchanged for dick measuring constant on who can show off more. No true peace will be settled.
 
Everyone needs to dial it down with both the personal attacks and partisan political comments. Debate is about logic, not emotions. If you allow emotion to dictate your comments, you've already lost the argument, even if you're right.

WWSS: What Would Spock Say?
 
Your right. I will give credit where credit is due. Trump did extract some wins. But the losses outweigh any win and any deal with terrorists is doomed as it has been since, well, ever. So. The same reason why Obama deal was bad is same reason why ANY deal with Trump is just as wrong. You cannot make deals with terrorists. Only way to ensure our safety from terrorist nuclear blackmail is to finish off the threat once and for all entirely, no negotiation your way out of this. Sadly Americans have lost any kind of appetite for such commitments, many. Many. Many decades ago.
Well we are where we are.
We can continue to look for a solutions or give up.
 
Suppose we can agree to see each other points. Just not how we got here.

My belief is that Americans forgot they where a empire and then wanted to have their cake and eat it too.... Then complain they don't have the empire benefits anymore.

Yours is slightly different HOWEVER we end up at the same conclusion IMHO.
We didn’t forget, we were and mostly are a reluctant empire when you get down to it. It’s a growth problem much like Rome and other empires faced.
How or why the last 20 years of war in the Middle East did not produce the hoped for results is immaterial. They didn’t!

To not expect a citizenry to question the wisdom or motives for it is entirely reasonable.

In order for the US to act decisively as an empire in the Middle East would have required us to wage total war.
In what segment of the American population, including many here. Would be ok with waging in war like that. One that 95% would consider a war crime’s.

Now consider that statement with my public position taken against Israel being accused of war crimes.

We lost when the clowns in academia and politics decided it was a noble cause to abandon the Shaw and let Marxist revolutionaries and Islamist take control of Iran.
That is the failure, everything since has been the rest of us dealing with the the aftermath.
One that I do not regard as an unforced error. It was a premeditated geopolitical attack on the west both externally and internally. And it wasn’t just allowed in the west. It was facilitated and encouraged. Think asymmetric war.

We have used our gold and blood endeavoring to sustain this “rules based world order”. Which is nothing more than a loosely organized globalist government.

They took Brenton Woods and tried to once again fulfill W. Wilson’s pollyanna agenda.

Here’s the thing, nations or empires do not act as global moderators or referees. They act in self interest! Period full stop.
To expect any nation or people to act in another way is foolish and naive.

Want to know how we must act if we are to be an empire or nation who wants to survive?

Rumors run wild about what Russias FSB and Alpha group did to Hezbollah’s leadership families after four Russian diplomats were taken hostage and one killed.
here’s one of the more gruesome ones.

Still another version has the Soviet operatives kidnapping a dozen Shi’a, one of whom was the relative of a Hezbollah leader. The relative was castrated and shot in the head, his testicles stuffed in his mouth, and his body shipped to Hezbollah with a letter promising a similar fate for the 11 other Shi’a captives if the three Soviet hostages were not released.”

Here is another clue, we stopped winning wars when we started being concerned about war crimes.
Guilt is seems is a much more effective weapon to silence a nations cannons. Than returning fire.

I’m not completely disagreeing with you. I’m only saying we’ve been swimming up stream trying to be an “empire” or “preserve this rules based world order”….. whatever you want to call it.
Sometimes what the Soviets did in Lebanon is required. But as you have pointed out, we don’t have the stomach for it.

Well then, what to do? what to do?
 
This might have already been posted and if so my apologies.

Seems Iraqs new PM is working hard to court the US.
Part of that effort is in cleaning up “corruption” in the green zone.

I pointed out one of the difficulties with regime change in Iran would be the spill over into Iraqs Shia population and political leaders.
Seems this door is being closed.

Then there is the impact TRIPP corridor will have on Irans economy and their diminished influence in central Asian trade.


I know it’s not all shock and awe with the 3rd mechanized infantry rolling into Tehran.

-There is the shift in world oil trade.
-The bilateral military alliance with Indonesia regarding the indo pacific trade routes.
-The control of the Panama Canal changing hands
-The central Asian trade Corridor
-The mineral and mining deal with Kazakhstan.
-The continued support of most of the gulf states and even some limited participation.
-The Israeli Lebanese peace agreement
-Hamas and Hezbollah being cut off at the root.
-Before last years sept meetings it had been six years since there had been high level meetings between the US and Turkey.
They’re meeting again at the Ankara NATO meeting next week.

Lastly consider this, other than no immediate surrender. What has been the result of striking and killing so much of Irans leadership? Others who willingly stuck their heads up and made themselves targets. Thinning the IRGC leadership.

And yet again I’ll say it. I could be all wet on this. But it’s not over yet.
There have been a lot of military, diplomatic, and trade steps that have been taken since Venezuela and some are still going on.
Some directly impact Iran, others indirectly.
Like China and Russia either too weak or tied down and unable to intervene in any significant manner.
 
The Shiite axis of influence of the Iranian regime is cracking on both its legs. Beirut signs with Tel Aviv to counter Hezbollah. Baghdad arrests the relays of the Islamic Republic at the highest level. The Shiite Crescent, Soleimani's doctrine, is losing its systemic coherence. And to date, the Islamic Republic is addressing it from a position of historic weakness, caught in a vise between economic bankruptcy and internal power fractures and doctrinal rifts within the regime.
 
Major developments are underway which will likely spark a massive exchange of fire between Iran, the USA, and all Gulf nations. While everyone is focused on the exchange of fire in the Strait of Hormuz over the weekend, few are focused on the dismantling if Iran's proxy forces.
Last week, the USA facilitated a signed agreement that allows Israel to remain in southern Lebanon until the Lebanese Armed Forces replaces the IDF, effectively ensuring the destruction of Hezbollah, Iran's largest proxy terror force.
Last month, Iraq disarmed two of Iran's largest proxy terror forces in Iraq. Over the weekend, Iraq arrested 47 corrupt political figures pushing Iranian agendas who certainly appear to have been paid for their cooperation. Additionally, Iraq announced any remaining Iranian proxy forces have until the end of this summer to disarm.
In Houthi controlled Yemen, the official Yemeni military is gearing up to launch a ground campaign to end the reign of terror that has been waged by Ansar Allah (The Houthi).
 
IS IRAN’S PROXY NETWORK COLLAPSING?
Hezbollah is under pressure in Lebanon.
Hamas has been shattered in Gaza.
The Houthis are exposed in Yemen.
NOW Iraq is moving against Iran-backed armed groups.The Iraqi government has reportedly given armed factions until late September to hand over their weapons to the state.This comes ahead of Iraqi Prime Minister Ali al-Zaidi’s expected visit to Washington, as the United States pressures Baghdad to disarm Iran-aligned militias and restore state control.
 

Iran says it won’t enter further talks until MoU terms met

Iranian Parliament Speaker and top negotiator Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf said Iran would not enter further negotiations until conditions set out in the memorandum of understanding are met, adding that current meetings were aimed at fulfilling its commitments.

Iran has no plans to hold talks with the United States in the coming days, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Esmaeil Baghaei said, adding that a delegation sent to Doha will meet Qatari officials on Iran’s frozen funds and the ceasefire in Lebanon.
 

Iran to open ‘communication channel’ on MoU with US after talks in Qatar

Iran says it will establish a “communication channel” with the United States to report breaches of the memorandum of understanding (MoU) signed between them two weeks ago to end the war.
 

One US service member missing after helicopter goes down in Arabian Sea

One U.S. service member was missing and three others were wounded but in stable condition ‌after their MH-60S Seahawk helicopter made an emergency landing in the Arabian Sea on Wednesday, the U.S. military said, adding there was no indication ⁠the crash was caused by hostile action.
"U.S. Navy assets in the region are currently searching for other aircrewman still missing. The cause of incident is under investigation," the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet said in a statement, adding that ‌the ⁠helicopter was deployed to the region on the USS George H.W. Bush aircraft carrier.
 

B-52 Stratofortress Bombers Leave England After Iran War Deployment

US. Air Force B-52 Stratofortress bombers departed from RAF Fairford in the U.K. today, marking the end of a deployment to support the war against Iran. The flights come as the U.S. and Iran are still working toward a peace deal amid a shaky ceasefire occasionally marred by flare-ups of tit-for-tat attacks. However, there has been no mass bombardment of Iran since the April 8 ceasefire.
 
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