🗣️ | US-Israel/Iran | CF Remains Unstable & Unresolved | ANALYSIS OF REPORTS

[william]

Not quite sure that's a good strategy. Usually, in the history of warfare, the "sit out in the open so the enemy can shoot at me" strategy is generally considered bad.

It also puts U.S. servicepersons in the line of fire for something that the CIA is able to do

You're absolutely right. Similar to walking point or tail end Charlie in an infantry patrol. The pucker factor on the destroyers crews that got tasked with doing that HAD to be pretty high.

 

[william]

This further suggests that Iran's plan is to wait us out. Adaptation will help Iran draw this conflict out.

Adapt or die is the nature of warfare. The pentagon can be pretty tricky when they want to be. I'm sure there are contingences for this, unlike Vietnam where the strike packages flew the same routes every day. Lessons learned.

 

[RiffRaff]

A few here seem to have memory loss. Iran , the strait and trade was no problem until Israel and US attacked Iran for no true or real reason. THIS IS NOT IRAN TO BLAME. Israel and US severely miscalculated in a monumental fuck up.

I don't think you're claiming Iran is completely innocent in this, but otherwise, I mostly agree with you. There were actual reasons for the attacks by Israel and the US, but I assure you they were domestic in nature, not strategic. That's one part of the monumental fuck up.

The other part is classic American overconfidence in their superiority. How many times does the US have to be embarrassed by third-world countries before they lose their superiority complex.

 

[teekay99]

The other part is classic American overconfidence in their superiority. How many times does the US have to be embarrassed by third-world countries before they lose their superiority complex.

Well part of the problem is that America's political leaders remember our substantial fire power and military capability but forget our lack of political desire to fully commit to using that power.

We initiated this latest conflict with Iran. For goodness sakes it's about darn time to finish it and the Iranian regime. Unfortunately our political leaders do not seem to be willing to commit to it . Instead they get fooled by rhetoric.

 

[NuclearID]

Well part of the problem is that America's political leaders remember our substantial fire power and military capability but forget our lack of political desire to fully commit to using that power.

We initiated this latest conflict with Iran. For goodness sakes it's about darn time to finish it and the Iranian regime. Unfortunately our political leaders do not seem to be willing to commit to it . Instead they get fooled by rhetoric.

I think it's the other way around. I blame the American people. Leaders can't finish wars because they have to think about reelection or their party for reelection. Voters want victory but without the cost/commitment, so leaders are often left with little choice but to stop/not finish the job from either voter or party pressure via the American voter. So. Yea. I blame the American people for NOT standing behind the government no matter who's at the helm and support them to finish the job so to speak. And maybe Americans need to be reminded that our way of life prosperity and freedom doesn't come free, it costs. The cost part is the problem, Americans want to have their cake and eat it too. You/we can't.

 

[NuclearID]

I think it's the other way around. I blame the American people. Leaders can't finish wars because they have to think about re-election or their party for reelection. Voters want victory but without the cost/commitment, so leaders are often left with little choice but to stop/not finish the job from either voter or party pressure via the American voter. So. Yea. I blame the American people for NOT standing behind the government no matter who's at the helm and support them to finish the job so to speak. And maybe Americans need to be reminded that our way of life prosperity and freedom doesn't come free, it costs. The cost part is the problem, Americans want to have their cake and eat it too. You can't.

This can be applied to almost every American war going back to Vietnam and Korea.

 

[teekay99]

I think it's the other way around. I blame the American people. Leaders can't finish wars because they have to think about re-election or their party for reelection. Voters want victory but without the cost/commitment, so leaders are often left with little choice but to stop/not finish the job from either voter or party pressure via the American voter. So. Yea. I blame the American people for NOT standing behind the government no matter who's at the helm and support them to finish the job so to speak. And maybe Americans need to be reminded that our way of life prosperity and freedom doesn't come free, it costs. The cost part is the problem, Americans want to have their cake and eat it too. You can't.

I see what you are saying. And yes the general US public gets war weary quickly. But ultimately, the public has little involvement in these decisions beyond the ballot box. Additionally, President Trump has shown consistently that public opinion isn't a significant factor in his decisions. He does not have a re-election to worry about. So I'm not sure what the administration is doing here other than waffling.

 

[NuclearID]

I see what you are saying. And yes the general US public gets war weary quickly. But ultimately, the public has little involvement in these decisions beyond the ballot box. Additionally, President Trump has shown consistently that public opinion isn't a significant factor in his decisions. He does not have a re-election to worry about. So I'm not sure what the administration is doing here other than waffling.

Personally think it's the GOP party officials at large behind the scenes holding him back cause their all worried for reelection. So while I see what your saying too. If you believe my perspective it's the GOP party behind scenes making him fold due to fears of losing congress in coming elections... Then the blame lands at the American people not standing behind fully whomever is in charge or party to finish a war, let alone one actually existential.

 

[william]

Wow, suddenly the US administration is "WAFFLING or TACO" because it keeps pushing back the ceasefire deadline, and this after the US and Israel recently got through bombing the shit out of Iran.

You don't think President Trump knows the high cost of petroleum products, fertilizer and the inflation because of it will hurt the GOP in the misterms! I am going to predict $2 a gallon gasoline by Labor Day. As far as inflation goes, some things are going up, sure, but some things are going down also. I just bought a dozen large eggs for $1.85, and they were up around $9 a while ago. I do believe that when this war is finished, you'll see commodity prices fall like a rock.

You don't think the closer of the shipping lane in the strait was factored into the planning. The war planners and think tanks have been gaming this for years. This is why the US doesn't rely on the strait as much as other countries. Lessons learned from the 70s.

Why is Pakistan the mediator in the negations between the US and Iran. Why are the European countries hesitant to get involved. Because President Trump said mean things about them! I don't think so!

Why did the US recently run worldwide nuclear drills and allow a nuclear ballistic submarine to be visible. I believe Iran has "THE BOMB" and they got it from Pakistan just like North Korea did. This is why you're hearing very strong rhetoric coming from Washington like "you'll see nothing but a glow" in Iran if they don't capitulate. I Just Enjoy Doing Stuff Like This

I do believe we are going to see a multi axis land invasion preceded by a massive air bombardment from multiple countries before this is all said and done and heaven help Iran if they try to use a nuke. How long does it take to plan and implement an invasion like this. Not all the countries involved have the logistical expertise the US has. I believe D Day took something like 3 years, and the US knows you don't win a war by an air campaign alone. IMO