Differentiating Between Staff/DWS Offical Analysis & Their Personal Opinions

[Yingyang]

If that's your take on everything thankyou. I stuffed up not realising it was only the members and followers posting said reports. apologies wasting your time.

 

[Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱]

apologies wasting your time.

You never did and never have. Where all here to help and listen to concerns or suggestions.

But yea... I have not posted a report in over 2 weeks. Neither has Director or Deputy Director. All those "Pro" Ukraine reports are done by members not affiliated to the DWS staff. As other social media platforms we are not liable for users content.

If you want to see more reporting "for the other side" you or others will have to do so yourself... not intended to sound heartless. But can't control the content members post or force them to post things.

 

[Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱]

I have not posted a report in over 2 weeks.

To clarify in the Ukraine threads that is.

I hope to get back to posting sources and information soon. Just been terribly busy. Any freetime i have is used organizing/moderating threads and fulfilling my staff duties like anylisis or other staff related subjects.

Should also be noted (forgot to mention) the OSINT community is bias as it overwhelmingly favors Ukraine. As they should IMO I have not been shy about that obviously.

Lastly @Irag8er has definitely picked up my slack. Want to thank you publicly for being such a amazing mod for us as I have stepped back some & your covering/reporting on events/news is very impeccable and top notch.

 

[Irag8er]

American military leaders =generals and admirals etc know their limitations, concerns etc but have to follow orders by the politicians that truly disregard those they really should take note of. Personally I would listen to the military leaders over the politicians and Potus simply because they have more knowledge and experience than those pulling the-their strings. You run with confidence following the politicians- potus statements I'll continue to listen to the people who truly know and risk their lives for us. Heads of military services are more than likely the ones that advised not to go up head on with Russia- Putin not only from American but Nato aswell. T

I see where you are coming from, but Politicians vs Military is a very fine line here. I would refer you to Pres. Dwight Eisenhower's farewell address. As both leader of the Allied Forces during WWII, and President of the United States, he had great insight into both military and politics. In the end, he chose to warn us of becoming too entwined, reliant strictly upon Generals; paraphrasing here. Here's some historical info on his speech.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/eisenhower-warns-of-military-industrial-complex

 

[Irag8er]

Yeah understand that I just see it as written here so many times that it comes across as hooray more dead Russians , more reports on Russian failures as if Ukraine doesn't suffer similar problems hardly reported, Russian soldiers doing the wrong thing yet Ukraine soldiers also have done the wrong.

In this, you are totally correct . I abhor the glorification of the death of someone on any side. And as to the reports, yes they are in fact tilted , strongly, towards the Ukrainian side. I myself have posted reports from the Russian perspective.
But as pointed out, the vast majority of these posts are not from the staff, but members. Do Staff members make such posts? Absolutely, but they do so as individual, personal posts. It just happens that under their names it states Staff Member.

 

[DEFCON Warning System]

I understand you don't state unbiased annalyse and reports but it wouldn't be such a challenge to not completely stop or refrain from such but control and or patrol it in order to head in that direction , atleast in reports section minimum.

We do try our very best to be as neutral as possible. In the end, we're human.

As DarkNoon pointed out, most reports are submitted by members. We have no control over that.

And most of the media out there is Western. Media from Russia (just to pick an example) is highly censored and unreliable. Ukraine media as well. So it is difficult to get reliable information from "the other side".

You will notice, however, that our updates are completely unbiased, and articles we write ourselves also follow that format.

So we try.

 

[Dr Arthur]

We do try our very best to be as neutral as possible. In the end, we're human.

As DarkNoon pointed out, most reports are submitted by members. We have no control over that.

And most of the media out there is Western. Media from Russia (just to pick an example) is highly censored and unreliable. Ukraine media as well. So it is difficult to get reliable information from "the other side".

You will notice, however, that our updates are completely unbiased, and articles we write ourselves also follow that format.

So we try.

Though we can try you can never be completely be free of bias so the best is to be aware of it.

 

[Friendly Engineer]

Though we can try you can never be completely be free of bias so the best is to be aware of it.

I agree, we're not 100% bias free but we try to minimise loaded wording.
For the most part, we are pretty good at stamping out bias

The Defcon Warning System - Bias and Credibility

LEAST BIASED These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appeals to emotion or

mediabiasfactcheck.com

 

[william]

Yup. I was not apart of staff or a moderator when Citizens21 was apart of DWS.

You fail to realize I said those things about citizens21 as a member. Before I was staff I was much more blunt in what I said if you can believe it.

I know you are referencing me in your comments. But I own who I am, I own what I believe, and I own my mistakes. Shoot me if you must.

"I was much more blunt in what I said!"

 

[william]

I don't think anything should be censored or stamped out except for personal attacks or racism. True analysis is gleaned from various sources from all over the world. Little bits of info that put together form the big picture. What I like about this board is the various opinions and reports that I can put together to form my own opinion.

 

[RiffRaff]

I don't think anything should be censored or stamped out except for personal attacks or racism. True analysis is gleaned from various sources from all over the world. Little bits of info that put together form the big picture. What I like about this board is the various opinions and reports that I can put together to form my own opinion.

Generally speaking, we remove:

• Personal attacks
• Racism/bigotry
• Conspiracy theory

Other than that, I don't remove anything. Alternatively, I might edit a post to add a disclaimer about the source being questionable or something like that.

 

[Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱]

Generally speaking, we remove:

• Personal attacks
• Racism/bigotry
• Conspiracy theory

Other than that, I don't remove anything. Alternatively, I might edit a post to add a disclaimer about the source being questionable or something like that.

Forgot to add if things get off topic as well they are either deleted or moved to another thread.

 

[GBS61]

Now that's something I wasn't aware about (my ignorance on the matter). Thanks for clearing that up.

This site will try to make you believe that the USA is the perfection on this planet, in fact they do not lie, but hide certain facts, the USA are specialists in installing puppet governments to have their allegiances, the list is very long:

Guatemala, Congo, the Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Brazil, Chile, and now Iran... These seven countries have in common to have seen their government overthrown, during the second half of the 20th century, by clandestine coups supported by the United States... before being officially recognized. Foreign Policy has drawn up the list - not counting the overthrows in which the role of the CIA is only suspected.

This is the case of Iran, in 1953. Monday, declassified documents made it possible to officially reveal what had become an open secret for years, namely the active role of the CIA in the dismissal of Prime Minister Mohamed Mossadegh. The man, who had the bad idea of nationalizing his country's oil, managed by the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (the predecessor of BP), ended his life under house arrest. On the throne, Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi became a close ally of Washington, until his overthrow during the Islamic revolution of 1979.

To achieve its ends, the CIA bought Mossadegh's supporters, American and Iranian newspapers to tarnish his reputation, and demonstrations in the streets of Tehran to justify the change of power. It also paid $5 million to General Fazlollah Zahedi, who was later appointed prime minister. In short, this American "foreign policy" operation, conducted under the code name "TPAJAX", is only "one of the many coups supported by the United States to establish itself all over the world" during the Cold War, which affected dictators as well as democratically elected leaders, notes Foreign Policy.

Guatemala, 1954: A year after Iran, the United States decides to remove President Jacobo Arbenz, with whom relations have deteriorated because of an agrarian reform that threatened the properties of the United Fruit Company. To do this, the CIA arms rebels and paramilitary troops. His departure will be followed by a succession of military juntas in power.

Congo, 1960: An intervention by the Belgian army, supported by the United States, ousts Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba from power. Faced with his resistance, the CIA made contact and supported people planning to assassinate him, according to The Church Committee, an organization that monitors the clandestine actions of the American agency. After a first failed attempt at poisoning, it informed Congolese troops of his location. He was captured and killed the following year.
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[OReid]

This site will try to make you believe that the USA is the perfection on this planet, in fact they do not lie, but hide certain facts, the USA are specialists in installing puppet governments to have their allegiances, the list is very long:

Guatemala, Congo, the Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Brazil, Chile, and now Iran... These seven countries have in common to have seen their government overthrown, during the second half of the 20th century, by clandestine coups supported by the United States... before being officially recognized. Foreign Policy has drawn up the list - not counting the overthrows in which the role of the CIA is only suspected.

This is the case of Iran, in 1953. Monday, declassified documents made it possible to officially reveal what had become an open secret for years, namely the active role of the CIA in the dismissal of Prime Minister Mohamed Mossadegh. The man, who had the bad idea of nationalizing his country's oil, managed by the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (the predecessor of BP), ended his life under house arrest. On the throne, Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi became a close ally of Washington, until his overthrow during the Islamic revolution of 1979.

To achieve its ends, the CIA bought Mossadegh's supporters, American and Iranian newspapers to tarnish his reputation, and demonstrations in the streets of Tehran to justify the change of power. It also paid $5 million to General Fazlollah Zahedi, who was later appointed prime minister. In short, this American "foreign policy" operation, conducted under the code name "TPAJAX", is only "one of the many coups supported by the United States to establish itself all over the world" during the Cold War, which affected dictators as well as democratically elected leaders, notes Foreign Policy.

Guatemala, 1954: A year after Iran, the United States decides to remove President Jacobo Arbenz, with whom relations have deteriorated because of an agrarian reform that threatened the properties of the United Fruit Company. To do this, the CIA arms rebels and paramilitary troops. His departure will be followed by a succession of military juntas in power.

Congo, 1960: An intervention by the Belgian army, supported by the United States, ousts Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba from power. Faced with his resistance, the CIA made contact and supported people planning to assassinate him, according to The Church Committee, an organization that monitors the clandestine actions of the American agency. After a first failed attempt at poisoning, it informed Congolese troops of his location. He was captured and killed the following year.
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No one on the forums regularly has ever disputed these historical fact.
Russian was doing the exact same thing at the same time. Not because the US was doing it.
It happened both sides were doing it in the post war era that’s a historical fact. So spare us the singular failures of the US
A color revolution cannot be blamed on the reformist demands in Czech in 1968. Yet for some reason the Soviets decide they had to suppress it with troops.
I am not claiming some moral superiority held by the US in these spy games. Im only pointing out that as always many of the espionage actions by the US did not occur in a vacuum. Thats all

 

[GBS61]

No one on the forums regularly has ever claimed these historical fact.
Russian was doing the exact same thing at the same time. Not because the US was doing it.
It happened both sides were doing it in the post war era that’s a historical fact. So spare us the singular failures of the US

So, according to you, you should lie to please yourself. You can always dream!

 

[OReid]

So, according to you, you should lie to please yourself. You can always dream!

Im not lying, we did do those things from chile to Vietnam and Nicaragua. Sometimes it was ignoble. It’s nation state posturing and espionage. Russia was doing them as well in Angola Moz Vietnam.

Do i as an individual wished it could be different, yes. Does it change how i regard my country? Yes i look at it as an adult and what was going on in the world at the time and the behavior of other nations.
Im not going to allow the ignoble things my country did to be singled out like we were somehow the singular pariah in the world, then or now.
Other nations were doing the same types of things.

I argue for a course of action that best defends My nations security and success.
Other considerations are secondary and should only be considered if those actions we are involved in are actually working against the well being of the US. Vietnam is one such case our prosecution of the war created an environment abroad and at home that destabilized or weakened us. Thus we need to make a course correction, which we did accepting our failure at the negotiating table and publicly. Which in the long run actually created an environment where Vietnam and the US have rebuilt our relations as two independent states.

 

[DarkNoon]

Which in the long run actually created an environment where Vietnam and the US have rebuilt our relations as two independent states.

Speaking of:

Thread 'Vietnam asks China to withdraw military equipment from South China Sea'

May 9, 2018

Vietnam requested on Tuesday that China withdraw military equipment from the South China Sea, following media reports this month that China had installed missiles there.

"Vietnam requests that China, as a large country, shows its responsibility in maintaining peace and stability in the East Sea," Vietnamese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Le Thi Thu Hang said in a statement, referring to the South China Sea.

The statement came after U.S. news network CNBC reported this month that China had installed anti-ship cruise missiles and surface-to-air missile systems on three of its outposts in the...

• Drumboy44
• Replies: 1
• Forum: Asia

Thread 'US aircraft carrier to visit Vietnam in post-war first'

Feb 1, 2018

Four decades after the war, a U.S. aircraft carrier will enter Vietnam again. This time, for a very different reason.
In a post-war first, the United States will send an aircraft carrier to Vietnam, Hanoi’s defense ministry said on Thursday, dramatic evidence of deepening military ties between the former enemies more than four decades after the Vietnam War.

The announcement came during a two-day visit to Hanoi by U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis that had been expected to focus on shared concerns about China.

The proposed visit is set for March at the central port of Da...

• krzepice1976
• Replies: 3
• Forum: Asia

Thread 'US Moves Closer To Former Foe Vietnam'

Sep 1, 2023

https://twitter.com/x/status/1697726021171061158

• Irag8er
• Replies: 1
• Forum: Asia

 

[RiffRaff]

This site will try to make you believe that the USA is the perfection on this planet, in fact they do not lie, but hide certain facts

I have a huge problem with that accusation, and you best be prepared to back it up with proof of this behavior in our posts or public statements. If you cannot provide specific examples, then your statement is worthless.

Yes, I AM calling you out on your bullshit.

 

[Winnitude]

I have a huge problem with that accusation, and you best be prepared to back it up with proof of this behavior in our posts or public statements. If you cannot provide specific examples, then your statement is worthless.

Yes, I AM calling you out on your bullshit.

I don't necessarily agree that this forum pushes that, but there does seem to generally be a tendency here to take one side's word (NATO, or Israel, or whoever in a given conflict) at face value but then take the other side (Russia, Iran/their proxies) as always lying by default.
Which is truly ridiculous in its own right, it's a war, name one war where both sides were honest to their people in recent memory, especially any involving the US - so many sham wars. IMO all parties are lying at face value and each individual statement must be compared with whatever data is known (not ideological or academic exercises in who is more moral, mind you, just what happened) to draw that conclusion and not whether it came from the side that we think are the good guys.
But it's also a tendency in terms of general way of thinking that is going to be present on any site and entirely dependent on which side of the line most of the community resides in, not something unique to this place. Just issues where that is going to be a relevant bias are what is discussed here. And I really don't think it goes to the extent GBS61 suggests but I do think that overall a sort of "vibe" towards what he is suggesting comes from the rhetoric here as a result.

I personally remember tuning out of this place for a while due to the borderline jingoistic discussion of Palestine and Israel like sports teams fighting for a goal and not the governing bodies of groups of millions of individuals like you or I, which is not to invoke the argument about them or who is better, but it got to a point where I tuned out out of disgust.

 

[DarkNoon]

(Russia, Iran/their proxies) as always lying by default.
Which is truly ridiculous in its own right,

Right. Because they don't lie about everything or even realse transparently their own countries internal statistics or economy figures too. Lol