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Escalating European Crisis | Sep. 25th/Oct. 11th | Discussions

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With the idea we roll over. If we don't... than it stops, really is that simple. Putin is only doing this because to many past US administrations have rolled over and to long has Europe/NATO sit with their thumbs up their ass to counter Putin in any meaningful way.
Its not always that simple. A strong reaction is good. Going overboard almost certainly plays into Putins “war against the west” narrative, which is not just for Russians. Im just saying reactions need to be made with cool heads and understanding that war is not that simple.
 
To be honest I think it was a huge strategic mistake by Putin to blow off Trump at least twice and in such a public way. Bruising Trump's ego might be his Frankenstein's monster. As we see Trumps tune has completely 180'd since February.
Yes that has always been a big fear of my'n THO never publicity spoken by me here I will admit...

My private fear, even before Trump got re-elected was that Putin would dramatically miscalculate and screw up his relationship with Trump....
 
Shit Ukraine would be wasting their own time if people didn't see the drones. After all that is the point isn't it. Use Russian captured drones to fly over nato countries etc so nato responds🤞

At a meeting in Moscow, a Russian diplomat told the British, French and German envoys that the Russian air incursions into Estonia were a deliberate response to Ukrainian attacks on Crimea, officials familiar with the exchange tells Bloomberg​

 
It's possible that we're looking at the "new normal" under Operation Eastern Sentry, which should be getting into gear right about now.

Having said that, I'm going to admit that it's unusual to see this many NATO assets in the skies over Europe, and it's definitely something worth keeping tabs on.

At some point Russia will inevitably launch another large-scale air assault on Ukraine; let's see what happens then.
 
Are these increased movements part of the new Eastern Sentry
Yes. Looks like its going as planned and in 'full swing'. Biggest risk here is miscalculation. Neither side wants a war. So not to much to worry about. This is now just the new status quo...
 
I think we need to do something. Not crazy as shooting down Russia aircraft, but we can't do nothing when airspace of several NATO countries is violated like this.

What is with Putin, what crack is he smoking because it must be some strong shit. 🫤
 
No immediate threat at the moment. What we do need to worry about is miscalculation. Putin hasn't had the best track record with that. @teekay99 raised some excellent points earlier.
I honestly don’t think Russia has truly miscalculated yet, save for the international response to the initial invasion. If Russia really miscalculated we (NATO) would be in an active engagement with them at present - not just in name only.
 
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I honestly don’t think Russia has truly miscalculated yet, save for the international response to the initial invasion. If Russia really miscalculated we would be in an active engagement with them at present - not just in name only.
Blowing Trump off, rejecting a favourable deal, invading Ukraine in the first place are all massive miscalculations IMO.
 
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