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Greenland, Canada, Panama & Trumps Ambitions For Them --(CLOSED)

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Trump continues to call Trudeau "governor of Canada" - which is basically as if Putin was publicly calling Trump "governor of the Amerika Oblast" (and the latter definitely has more truth to it than the former) - so it's fairly obvious what's going around his head.

Canada needs a military pact with China and should be working towards one. There's a lot in it for both sides in economic terms, too.
 
If Canada ever becomes a US state, it will have the same electoral weight as California and will vote Democrat, bye bye GOP for 100 years.
It's a favorite talking point on Fox among some of the less insane talking heads there (and I personally view it as a veiled cry for help) - but they needn't worry; this will never come up because there's not going to be another free election in the USA.

The only way power changes hands from now on is through bloodshed.

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The only way power changes hands from now on is through bloodshed.
Wow, that is a bold statement, which in the future MAY prove to be accurate.
However that Is a completely unsubstantiated statement.
 
Wow, that is a bold statement, which in the future MAY prove to be accurate.
However that Is a completely unsubstantiated statement.
I obviously can't foretell the future. But I do have a superpower: the power to remember things. That helps a lot in drawing conclusions. ;)
 
Trump continues to call Trudeau "governor of Canada" - which is basically as if Putin was publicly calling Trump "governor of the Amerika Oblast" (and the latter definitely has more truth to it than the former) - so it's fairly obvious what's going around his head.

Canada needs a military pact with China and should be working towards one.
There's a lot in it for both sides in economic terms, too.
WOW! Talk about TDS! I'm out of this debate! 👋
 
I guess it’s just too much to expect ally and a neighbor to want to work together to combat illicit drug trade.
It beginning to look like the Canada has already made its choice over US or China drug trade with China or cooperate with a ally.

Nice to know and makes all future interactions all the simpler to decide on.
 
I guess it’s just too much to expect ally and a neighbor to want to work together to combat illicit drug trade.
It beginning to look like the Canada has already made its choice over US or China drug trade with China or cooperate with a ally.

Nice to know and makes all future interactions all the simpler to decide on.
Oh, please. Canada implemented a huge border plan and has stepped up to the plate, what you are stating is simply factually inaccurate. Fentanyl coming from Canada makes up a tiny % of what comes into the US and actually since increasing our border security in coordination with the US (btwn implementing helicopters and drones across larger stretches of the border, stricter search requirements, hundreds of millions for developing new methods to detect smuggling/smugglers) we've dramatically increased the amount seized but more importantly it's mostly been coming from the US into Canada.

You've drank the kool aid, you're repeating propaganda talking points that have been so obviously debunked by the simple reality that Canada has a plan that was approved with Trump last month that has been executed with results and he has still decided to do this in the face of all evidence that fentanyl from Canada is, simultaneously, insignificant and for what it's worth being tackled.

He has openly stated that there is NOTHING Canada can do to avoid the tariffs, except, in his words, to become the 51st state. There is no other concession he will accept, that is what he has stated and also what his press secretary has stated too.
This was never about fentanyl.
This is an attack on Canada's sovereignty plain and simple.
To, in his words again, use "economic force" to force us into capitulating.
To build his legacy as a leader before his turn's over by expanding the US.

DarkNoon's suggestion is only rational. We can no longer trust or rely on the USA, and we have to prepare for the very real possibility that they move from economic force to military force in the coming years in their lust for our resources and territory. Even if it seems remote, this entire situation seemed impossible/remote before last year, so anything needs to be considered. We should look for guarantees from other countries who can back us up, as well as closer economic relations to replace what is being lost.

Also remember. Canada sends the US raw materials it needs to function - potash, uranium, nickel, oil, lumber - and energy, for the most part, alongside manufactured goods. The US sells back mostly manufactured goods. Jobs will be lost on both sides, but those are replaceable with industry at home over enough time. Natural resources are not, and even if they are miraculously found in the US next year, building the infrastructure to extract and refine any of it takes time.
So while trade with the US might be a bigger % of our economy... it is a much harder to replace, much more load bearing, even if smaller % of the US', they can't easily factory build and stimulus your way around those things if Canada cuts them off (unless they turn to Russia for generally much lower quality, and much more expensive due to transport, supplies of some of these things)... which is not to say we can "win" this trade war - but if the people will it for long enough Canada can do enough damage and stretch this out long enough that we could cause some bigger risks for ourselves if he refuses to back down - because, unfortunately, this is absolutely the stuff actual wars are made of brewing, the one true chip we have if this escalates, cutting off our natural resources and energy, is basically a nuclear option that presents a massive threat to the US both economically and in terms of national security.
 
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Trump continues to call Trudeau "governor of Canada" - which is basically as if Putin was publicly calling Trump "governor of the Amerika Oblast" (and the latter definitely has more truth to it than the former) - so it's fairly obvious what's going around his head.

Canada needs a military pact with China and should be working towards one. There's a lot in it for both sides in economic terms, too.
Omg that’s…not a good idea. Like that’s a really bad idea. Wars start for less.
 
Oh, please. Canada implemented a huge border plan and has stepped up to the plate, what you are stating is simply factually inaccurate. Fentanyl coming from Canada makes up a tiny % of what comes into the US and actually since increasing our border security in coordination with the US (btwn implementing helicopters and drones across larger stretches of the border, stricter search requirements, hundreds of millions for developing new methods to detect smuggling/smugglers) we've dramatically increased the amount seized but more importantly it's mostly been coming from the US into Canada.

You've drank the kool aid, you're repeating propaganda talking points that have been so obviously debunked by the simple reality that Canada has a plan that was approved with Trump last month that has been executed with results and he has still decided to do this in the face of all evidence that fentanyl from Canada is, simultaneously, insignificant and for what it's worth being tackled.

He has openly stated that there is NOTHING Canada can do to avoid the tariffs, except, in his words, to become the 51st state. There is no other concession he will accept, that is what he has stated and also what his press secretary has stated too.
This was never about fentanyl.
This is an attack on Canada's sovereignty plain and simple.
To, in his words again, use "economic force" to force us into capitulating.
To build his legacy as a leader before his turn's over by expanding the US.

DarkNoon's suggestion is only rational. We can no longer trust or rely on the USA, and we have to prepare for the very real possibility that they move from economic force to military force in the coming years in their lust for our resources and territory. Even if it seems remote, this entire situation seemed impossible/remote before last year, so anything needs to be considered. We should look for guarantees from other countries who can back us up, as well as closer economic relations to replace what is being lost.

Also remember. Canada sends the US raw materials it needs to function - potash, uranium, nickel, oil, lumber - and energy, for the most part, alongside manufactured goods. The US sells back mostly manufactured goods. Jobs will be lost on both sides, but those are replaceable with industry at home over enough time. Natural resources are not, and even if they are miraculously found in the US next year, building the infrastructure to extract and refine any of it takes time.
So while trade with the US might be a bigger % of our economy... it is a much harder to replace, much more load bearing, even if smaller % of the US', they can't easily factory build and stimulus your way around those things if Canada cuts them off (unless they turn to Russia for generally much lower quality, and much more expensive due to transport, supplies of some of these things)... which is not to say we can "win" this trade war - but if the people will it for long enough Canada can do enough damage and stretch this out long enough that we could cause some bigger risks for ourselves if he refuses to back down - because, unfortunately, this is absolutely the stuff actual wars are made of brewing, the one true chip we have if this escalates, cutting off our natural resources and energy, is basically a nuclear option that presents a massive threat to the US both economically and in terms of national security.
You are describing what a nation does before a massive war. Seize massive amounts of territory, cut the fat from the government, redirect spending, install a Golden Dome, like the writing is on the wall here. People still don’t see we are converting into a wartime economy and government.

You all are so busy trying to be offended by every little thing Trump does, that you can’t see the forest through the trees.

China may well invade Taiwan this year. We will need Canada and Greenland for when that goes to complete and total shit.

THINK PEOPLE THINK!!!!

EDIT - There are two windows for an amphibious assault on Taiwan. April and October have periods of relative calm in the Strait. This may come sooner than we all realize. This is why Trump is moving so fast to grab half the North Atlantic AND Panama Canal. The strategic importance of these three areas can not be overstated.
 
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Oh, please. Canada implemented a huge border plan and has stepped up to the plate, what you are stating is simply factually inaccurate. Fentanyl coming from Canada makes up a tiny % of what comes into the US and actually since increasing our border security in coordination with the US (btwn implementing helicopters and drones across larger stretches of the border, stricter search requirements, hundreds of millions for developing new methods to detect smuggling/smugglers) we've dramatically increased the amount seized but more importantly it's mostly been coming from the US into Canada.

You've drank the kool aid, you're repeating propaganda talking points that have been so obviously debunked by the simple reality that Canada has a plan that was approved with Trump last month that has been executed with results and he has still decided to do this in the face of all evidence that fentanyl from Canada is, simultaneously, insignificant and for what it's worth being tackled.

He has openly stated that there is NOTHING Canada can do to avoid the tariffs, except, in his words, to become the 51st state. There is no other concession he will accept, that is what he has stated and also what his press secretary has stated too.
This was never about fentanyl.
This is an attack on Canada's sovereignty plain and simple.
To, in his words again, use "economic force" to force us into capitulating.
To build his legacy as a leader before his turn's over by expanding the US.

DarkNoon's suggestion is only rational. We can no longer trust or rely on the USA, and we have to prepare for the very real possibility that they move from economic force to military force in the coming years in their lust for our resources and territory. Even if it seems remote, this entire situation seemed impossible/remote before last year, so anything needs to be considered. We should look for guarantees from other countries who can back us up, as well as closer economic relations to replace what is being lost.

Also remember. Canada sends the US raw materials it needs to function - potash, uranium, nickel, oil, lumber - and energy, for the most part, alongside manufactured goods. The US sells back mostly manufactured goods. Jobs will be lost on both sides, but those are replaceable with industry at home over enough time. Natural resources are not, and even if they are miraculously found in the US next year, building the infrastructure to extract and refine any of it takes time.
So while trade with the US might be a bigger % of our economy... it is a much harder to replace, much more load bearing, even if smaller % of the US', they can't easily factory build and stimulus your way around those things if Canada cuts them off (unless they turn to Russia for generally much lower quality, and much more expensive due to transport, supplies of some of these things)... which is not to say we can "win" this trade war - but if the people will it for long enough Canada can do enough damage and stretch this out long enough that we could cause some bigger risks for ourselves if he refuses to back down - because, unfortunately, this is absolutely the stuff actual wars are made of brewing, the one true chip we have if this escalates, cutting off our natural resources and energy, is basically a nuclear option that presents a massive threat to the US both economically and in terms of national security.
note below are Canadian publications

Canada is an ideal production and distribution hub in narcotics supply chains. It has trade relations with numerous countries, which can be used to smuggle drugs hidden among tons of legitimate goods, making them difficult to discover. Furthermore, criminal cartels in Asia and the Middle East have developed smuggling routes in and out of the country over many years. A super lab would leverage multiple partner organizations to distribute illicit products.

Of specific importance, the ease of traversing the southern border of the U.S.A. contributed to the American crisis, with most drug shipments arriving from Mexico hidden in vehicles or cargo containers each day. The ease of legitimately moving between America and Canada is similar, and smugglers can easily take advantage of it.

People who think that the situation isn’t serious because the Canada/America border has not seen significant trafficking in the past are mistaken


Also noted in one of the sources accurate information of fentanyl flow out of Canada is not a clear number given Canada’s open trade relationship with nations in much of the world.
Shipments have been interdicted in Australia originating in Canada. Most shipped by common shipping choices include post.
 
We're all forgetting one important matter: after Trump is done screwing up the country (economically and otherwise), he will be forced to start a war as a self-preservation mechanism. This is what dictators have done since time immemorial - a "small victorious war" is their "get out of jail free" card. Literally.

War absolves all sins.
- old Russian saying
 
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