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Kalingrad-Lithuania | 2022

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Socom7 said:
Alikhanov being too sane for his own good again. (Source: kp.ru.)

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https://radiosputnik-ria-ru.transla...uto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp <---- ria article about this

You mention that he is too tame for a 'kremlin insider' I assume that may have alot to do with the fact that he does not wish to have the area where he governs and lives be ground zero for ww3, so he certianly doesnt want to inflame tensions in the area.

speaking of ww3, these small civil aircraft seen by manu are of note as their irregular flight patterns indicate that they are being used for mapping operations, both nato and russians are doing it, not good sign this is done to get feel of area for military ops, as was seen in the leadup to ukraine invasion. I will bring to your attention this post from the same guy, including photos of a RU afb, I do not know how things were before this situation, are these more or less planes than normal for the area? the mass of jets in the 4th photo I would guess are spares for parts seeing as some are lacking control surfaces and whatnot
https://twitter.com/x/status/1541116168177700864
 
Also here is the full syntax of the kaliningrad governors telegram post used as the source in these articles, as translated by google translate :::

Kaliningrad transit, which is not a blockade for us. The European bureaucracy is not inferior to the Soviet one, but even surpasses it. Numbers of packages of sanctions will soon go to tens. They entangled themselves in them. The word "Kaliningrad" appeared only in the fifth package. From my point of view, without mentioning Kaliningrad in the sanctions, they could have abolished Lithuania's accession to the EU altogether. OK. We pay for Kaliningrad transit, there are no military cargoes, there is nothing dual-purpose. The European Commission is simply confused. For example, they quietly allowed to pay for gas in rubles, but they did not issue a piece of paper for Kaliningrad. There are more bureaucrats in the EC than in Franz Kafka's nightmares, but quantity does not mean quality (in the case of bureaucrats it definitely does not), so they simply screwed up when preparing answers to the FAQ. This is me putting it mildly. There are still various nausedy and others, as if urging not to give in to pressure (what kind? You started this farce). Sea transportation capacity in the Baltic today is excessive, so there is plenty to supply Kaliningrad and export goods from the region. Yes, we will need to subsidize the sea tariff, but this is a technique. Our country will allow itself this, and will allow itself programs for the development of the region. We are a very strong country. Somehow, one head of a research institute in a conversation asked me to remember the phrase "Russian sovereignty over the Lithuanian railway." We do not really need it, but studying the legal foundations of the West Berlin transit, I understand that such regulation will not be entirely unique in recent history. Kaliningrad is in order, let the country not worry about us. But he thinks of us. P.S. The EC's clarification on lifting transit restrictions should be released next week.
 
dave II judgement day said:
https://radiosputnik-ria-ru.transla...uto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp <---- ria article about this

You mention that he is too tame for a 'kremlin insider' I assume that may have alot to do with the fact that he does not wish to have the area where he governs and lives be ground zero for ww3, so he certianly doesnt want to inflame tensions in the area.

speaking of ww3, these small civil aircraft seen by manu are of note as their irregular flight patterns indicate that they are being used for mapping operations, both nato and russians are doing it, not good sign this is done to get feel of area for military ops, as was seen in the leadup to ukraine invasion. I will bring to your attention this post from the same guy, including photos of a RU afb, I do not know how things were before this situation, are these more or less planes than normal for the area? the mass of jets in the 4th photo I would guess are spares for parts seeing as some are lacking control surfaces and whatnot
https://twitter.com/x/status/1541116168177700864
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Ok, but what's the matter if Russian aircrafts flight over Russian territory for mapping operations? I don't think Russian aircraft have flown over Ukraine before the war.

dave II judgement day said:
Also here is the full syntax of the kaliningrad governors telegram post used as the source in these articles, as translated by google translate :::

Kaliningrad transit, which is not a blockade for us. The European bureaucracy is not inferior to the Soviet one, but even surpasses it. Numbers of packages of sanctions will soon go to tens. They entangled themselves in them. The word "Kaliningrad" appeared only in the fifth package. From my point of view, without mentioning Kaliningrad in the sanctions, they could have abolished Lithuania's accession to the EU altogether. OK. We pay for Kaliningrad transit, there are no military cargoes, there is nothing dual-purpose. The European Commission is simply confused. For example, they quietly allowed to pay for gas in rubles, but they did not issue a piece of paper for Kaliningrad. There are more bureaucrats in the EC than in Franz Kafka's nightmares, but quantity does not mean quality (in the case of bureaucrats it definitely does not), so they simply screwed up when preparing answers to the FAQ. This is me putting it mildly. There are still various nausedy and others, as if urging not to give in to pressure (what kind? You started this farce). Sea transportation capacity in the Baltic today is excessive, so there is plenty to supply Kaliningrad and export goods from the region. Yes, we will need to subsidize the sea tariff, but this is a technique. Our country will allow itself this, and will allow itself programs for the development of the region. We are a very strong country. Somehow, one head of a research institute in a conversation asked me to remember the phrase "Russian sovereignty over the Lithuanian railway." We do not really need it, but studying the legal foundations of the West Berlin transit, I understand that such regulation will not be entirely unique in recent history. Kaliningrad is in order, let the country not worry about us. But he thinks of us. P.S. The EC's clarification on lifting transit restrictions should be released next week.
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as long as the talk is about how much UE is more burocratic then USSR was, we still are into a diplomatic speech. The fact, is that is a very hostile poture and the blockade - call it what you want - can be made at any time also by the sea, considering that the Baltic Sea has not international waters and that the waters of the Baltic Sea are used as the they were "international", until all the Countries agree about that.
 
bartok said:
Ok, but what's the matter if Russian aircrafts flight over Russian territory for mapping operations? I don't think Russian aircraft have flown over Ukraine before the war.



as long as the talk is about how much UE is more burocratic then USSR was, we still are into a diplomatic speech. The fact, is that is a very hostile poture and the blockade - call it what you want - can be made at any time also by the sea, considering that the Baltic Sea has not international waters and that the waters of the Baltic Sea are used as the they were "international", until all the Countries agree about that.
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These Russian flights are over Russian territory yes, mapping out Lithuanian territory from as close as they can manage without violating airspace. As for the blockade, restriction of goods, application of sanctions, none of these things matter in the slightest at all, none ever have. is that how people think the Russians are making decisions, whether an action fits a technical term or not? wasnt that way ever before dont see why would they start now. what matters is what they do about it, the EU is not going to escalate this matter and it is pretty clear that this business was a decision of the Lithuanian government, not a consensus reached. Lithuania does not have the navy to blockade kaliningrad ports, and that is a pretty big step compared to making concrete go by ship as opposed to by land. generally this is a test as to whether the russians want to escalate or not given an opportunity
 
dave II judgement day said:
These Russian flights are over Russian territory yes, mapping out Lithuanian territory from as close as they can manage without violating airspace. As for the blockade, restriction of goods, application of sanctions, none of these things matter in the slightest at all, none ever have. is that how people think the Russians are making decisions, whether an action fits a technical term or not? wasnt that way ever before dont see why would they start now. what matters is what they do about it, the EU is not going to escalate this matter and it is pretty clear that this business was a decision of the Lithuanian government, not a consensus reached. Lithuania does not have the navy to blockade kaliningrad ports, and that is a pretty big step compared to making concrete go by ship as opposed to by land. generally this is a test as to whether the russians want to escalate or not given an opportunity
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I have some doubts that is was a Lithuanian spontaneous initiative, but we don't know. It's positive that Lithuana has made a backwards. However, if freights sanctions had been implied also by the sea, they wouldn't been by means of a blockade of Kaliningrad ports from Lithuania, but by means of inspections instead, just not far away from Saint Petersburg and not from Lithuania, but from Estonia or Finland first, and then from Latvia or Sweden. Because... Baltic Sea doesn't have international waters. It's not a detail.

Regarding the mapping of the Lithuanian territory... I wonder what Russian could actually see from a kind of CESSNA, that they didn't already know, or that they couldn't see from satelites, and that is supposed to be so worrying from NATO. They can't use Lidar scanner from there over Lithuanian territory and I think it does not be even usefull.
 
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ok you say this you need to explain it, because in the english language what you are saying makes no sense.
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In English "international waters" makes a perfect and well known sense. What's the problem with: "Baltic Sea has not international waters"? Are you American? ok: think to go to the nearest beach and then start swimming toward the high sea. For some miles, you will remain in US waters. If you go ahead, you will finally arrive at "international waters", in which the navigation is free because these waters have not owners. In the Baltic Sea, it's not so: as soons as you go outside the waters of one Country, you directly arrive into waters of an other Country. So, going outside the Russian waters of Saint Petersburg, you arrive into the waters of Estonia or Filland. So, if these Country decide to do by the sea what Lithuania as tried to do by ground, as to say the implementation of sanctions, they could actually do so and stop Russian ships in order to verify that they aren't freighting sanctioned goods. This will have, potentially, the same effect of a blockade of Kaliningrad ports, because Russia would not have other choices that force its way through, into waters of other Countries. So, this situation would be even much worse then a direct blockade of Kalingrad ports, because in that last case Russia would have full right to force the block. The case we are speaking about, it's very different: Russia would have to pass by force into waters of other Countries.
 
Russia is ready to respond to the restriction of transit to Kaliningrad, said Ushakov:
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Россия готова отвечать на ограничение транзита в Калининград, заявил Ушаков

Россия готова отвечать на недружественные шаги по ограничению транзита в Калининград, власти РФ будут смотреть, какая ситуация сложится в течение ближайших... РИА Новости, 27.06.2022
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dave II judgement day said:
Russia is ready to respond to the restriction of transit to Kaliningrad, said Ushakov:
ria-ru.translate.goog

Россия готова отвечать на ограничение транзита в Калининград, заявил Ушаков

Россия готова отвечать на недружественные шаги по ограничению транзита в Калининград, власти РФ будут смотреть, какая ситуация сложится в течение ближайших... РИА Новости, 27.06.2022
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Mod Edit: please add translation when posting none English sources bare minimum at least the title.
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But is this crisis solved, or not? UE didn't have said: "oops actually says here that transit of sanctioned goods to kaliningrad through the eu is fine after all, sorry about all that"?
 
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Медведев: ответ Москвы на запрет транзита в Калининград способен перекрыть кислород Литве

По словам замглавы Совбеза РФ, значительная часть возможных ответных шагов носит экономический характер
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"Medvedev: Moscow's response to the ban on transit to Kaliningrad is able to cut off the oxygen to Lithuania"​


more in at 6 pm EST, (midnight moscow time) article is translated btw, all articles I publish are
 
dave II judgement day said:
tass-ru.translate.goog

Медведев: ответ Москвы на запрет транзита в Калининград способен перекрыть кислород Литве

По словам замглавы Совбеза РФ, значительная часть возможных ответных шагов носит экономический характер
tass-ru.translate.goog tass-ru.translate.goog

"Medvedev: Moscow's response to the ban on transit to Kaliningrad is able to cut off the oxygen to Lithuania"​


more in at 6 pm EST, (midnight moscow time) article is translated btw, all articles I publish are
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A quote from the RIA article on the matter, didnt post but says much the same thing,
"Russia's response to the ban on the transit of goods to the Kaliningrad region will be very tough, most of them are of an economic nature, Deputy Chairman of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev said in an interview with the Argumenty i Fakty newspaper.
“A significant part of the possibilities is capable of cutting off the oxygen to our Baltic neighbors who have taken hostile actions. Also, Moscow can apply asymmetric measures, which will cause a critical escalation of the conflict,” he explained."
 
DarkNoon said:
I wasn't aware we achieved the ability to effectively change the entire atmosphere in a localized area. 😂

(I'm obviously joking)
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Actually, pedantically, a fuel-air bomb will do the job very nicely.
 
DEFCON Warning System said:
Actually, pedantically, a fuel-air bomb will do the job very nicely.
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Yes but when I was jokingly saying "localized" area I meant a much larger area like all of Lithuania.

But yes some bombs can change the atmosphere just not as large as I was implying. But good one got me there. 😂
 
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