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If China takes Pelosi hostage, how many would contribute money for her release?
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This isn't about Pelosi anymore. It's about principles and not letting China win.
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It was just a joke. We all know no one would contribute for Pelosi's freedom. lol
In all reality, this is a losing fight. The U.S. won't put up what it takes to keep Taiwan free.
The best thing the U.S. can do is to let anyone in Taiwan who wants to move to the U.S.. Drain Taiwan of its brains, remove its high tech infrastructure, and let China have an empty husk of an island.
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That island is important not just for infrastructure and it's people but also for its strategic location and ability to be used as a staging area to keep China contained. I find Taiwan to be in a similar position of importance to Britain's in ww2. I don't think the USA would let it go quite so easily. Possibly the Chinese don't think so either otherwise Taiwan would already be theirs.
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We aren't keeping China contained in that area. The U.S. won't put the resources into it.
I guess in some future scenario Taiwan could be used rather than fighting for it like in WWII when we were island hopping.
Still, we aren't going to fight for it now.
We may not have a choice in the matter.
America may not be looking for war, but war may be looking for America.
Im willing to pay China to take good care of her. Food, housing, streaming west wing for her to bing watch….”
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And when it happens, the U.S. will not put in the resources to beat China. That is the problem.
I wouldn't be so sure of this. For many reasons. Biggest reason is Taiwan chip manufacturing capability and the brains to do it.
The US would help Tawain defend itself initially and in the process bring all the brains/scientists to America to build up our chip industry.
Once the US has secured the brains and in the process the war destroys the chip factories in Taiwan leaving China nothing then maybe we would step back.
But during that mess where the US helps defend Taiwan and steals the brains from CCP could trigger a direct conflict between the US and China.
I'm sorry but there is just no way the US let's CCP get a hold of the scientists or leave intact chip factories. We will get involved. I think the question is how long will we stay involved or how long it takes to brain drain Tawain and directly or indirectly sabotage the chip factories.
Not letting China win doesn't mean defeat or stopping a takeover of Tawain.
Not letting China win simply only needs to include preventing them from getting the chip scientists/brains and 100% destroy chip manufacturing network & factories in Taiwan.
China can still lose (not win) even if they take Taiwan by making sure the brains & the factories do not fall into Chinas control. Not much of a win taking control of a "braindead" & crippled rocky island.
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Of which China is well aware. And in this particular case they can probably get the fatso in Pyongyang to do their dirty work for them.
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Nah US commitment to Seoul is rock solid. No one is invading SK unless they have a death wish.
No one is invading South Korea unless they want to be radioactive dust floating in the upper atmosphere...
Friendly Engineer is very right here. The SK and US defense pack is one of the strongest in the world and the use of nuclear weapons to protect them is definitely on the table for the US.
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Nothing about this is "simple". It's unlikely Taiwanese specialists would want to emigrate to the US en masse. This ain't 1945 Germany. And China doesn't want Taiwan for its chips (though I'm sure they regard that as a nice bonus).
This presumably requires turning Taiwan into a "braindead & crippled rocky island" before China invades. I'm not convinced the Taiwanese government would go along with this policy...
Yes they most certainly would. It's the scientific minds that are very well aware of the CCP toxic tendency & tyranny which enlightened, educated, smart people are usually well aware of. They are bright minds and only way to shine bright is in a free open society. Not to mention the US limitless bank account for investing in their scientific work and being paid handsomely to do so.
It's the very main reason.
When the War starts Taiwan government will be a hollow shell and won't have much or any say in the matter. People will jump at the chance to flee to the free world. History proves this.I'm not convinced the Taiwanese government would go along with this policy...
If your assuming Taiwan will fall in days/weeks your wrong. Just like how many thought Ukraine would fall in days or weeks.
Taiwan has had almost a century to prepare and build up defense. To even remotely think CCP can overrun them in days or weeks is tragically misgiving and lacking understanding of the reality on the ground.
The brain drain and sabotage of the factories would happen after a attack. Not before.
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You and I apparently have different views on how long the US is likely to remain a "free open society", or at least be regarded as such by "enlightened, educated, smart people" throughout the world.
I merged the thread "Nancy Pelosi Traveling to Taiwan" in geopolitics sub section to here this thread.
Past two days we been talking about Pelosi trip here and virtually the same subject so better off under one roof/thread anyways to make it easier.
Past two days we been talking about Pelosi trip here and virtually the same subject so better off under one roof/thread anyways to make it easier.
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While I understand your meaning in this. I think it is in some ways sad. Your priorities are chip manufacturing when there is the independence and future of a nation is at stake.
If we didn't take the brains or sabotage the factories the Tawain military/Gov would sabotage it themselves with or without us & the scientists would flee to other nations, so might as well be us the only nation that has been there for them or seriously fought for their stability & independence on the world theater.
They have been preparing for war longer then most have been alive. They will not allow anything they have fall into the CCP hands. So yes we will be there to refuge/take in the brains and help aid in defending & possibly sabotaging any potential gain for the CCP directly or indirectly.
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