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Russia threatening nuclear showdown

For the past 3 or 4 months I have been having dreams that Russia invades the U.S. or ones that we are just at war with Russia, but I don't know where exactly. In most of my dreams I can't find any ammo or my AK quits working...it's frustrating.
 
AlbertGrand said:
I think the one thing that unites all normal people is that we don't want nuclear or any kind of war.
But there are people in high positions who ain't normal and we need to realise it.



Sadly, I must disagree. Humans are violent by nature. We're violent among ourselves, we're violent to our surroundings. At it's core, wars are no different than the bigger kid thumping the smaller kid, and taking his lunch money. It's just on a much larger scale. Until we -as a species- evolve beyond the desire to kill, there will always be war. :(
 
BadKarma said:
AlbertGrand said:
I think the one thing that unites all normal people is that we don't want nuclear or any kind of war.
But there are people in high positions who ain't normal and we need to realise it.



Sadly, I must disagree. Humans are violent by nature. We're violent among ourselves, we're violent to our surroundings. At it's core, wars are no different than the bigger kid thumping the smaller kid, and taking his lunch money. It's just on a much larger scale. Until we -as a species- evolve beyond the desire to kill, there will always be war. :(
I have to agree with Badkarma, I do not fear Nuclear war.
 
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/northcom-russian-cruise-missile-threat-to-u-s-grows/


Russia is developing a long-range cruise missile that poses a new threat to the United States, the commander of the U.S. Northern Command warned this week.

“Russia is progressing toward its goal of deploying long-range, conventionally-armed cruise missiles with ever increasing stand-off launch distances on its heavy bombers, submarines, and surface combatants, augmenting the Kremlin’s toolkit of flexible deterrent options short of the nuclear threshold,” Adm. William Gortney, Northcom chief who heads the U.S.-Canadian North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) said Thursday.

“Should these trends continue, over time NORAD will face increased risk in our ability to defend North America against Russian cruise missile threats,” he said in prepared testimony to the House Armed Services subcommittee on strategic forces.


Subcommittee Chairman Rep. Mike Rogers (R., Ala.) said he is very concerned about funding shortfalls for missile defense.

“The United States of America is on its way to losing its military edge, not just in terms of the ability to project power, but to even defend the homeland,” Rogers said. “This situation is intolerable.”


However, former Pentagon nuclear strategist Mark Schneider said the Russian missile is the KH-101.

“The Russians describe the KH-101 as a 5,000-kilometer [3,106-mile] range conventional cruise missile,” he said. “The KH-102 is the nuclear version.”

The KH-101 is configured for launch on Russian strategic bombers. There have been Russian press reports that a sea-based variant is deployed on Russia’s Severodvinsk-class nuclear attack submarines.

A report by the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC) said at least nine nations are developing land-attack cruise missiles and several will make them available to foreign customers. “The cruise missile threat to U.S. forces will increase over the next decade,” the report said.

Schneider, the former Pentagon strategic nuclear policy official, said the KH-101 is one of several new cruise missiles being developed by the Russians.

“There is a very large asymmetry in cruise missile capability developing between the U.S. and Russia,” Schneider said. “We have eliminated our only nuclear submarine-launched cruise missile, are ending production of our Tomahawk conventional ship launched cruise missile and the range of our air-launched conventional cruise missile is less than 1,000 kilometers,” he said. “Our follow-on nuclear air-launched cruise missile is not until late 2020s. All of this reflects the fact that the Russians are preparing to fight us while we are preparing to fight terrorists.”

LAST LINE says it all. We are now officially playing catch-up. So they can attack from 3000 miles away with nuclear NEXTGEN cruise missiles that are being sold to 9 hostile nations. We have no nuclear cruise missles but we might still have one or two tomohawk cruise missiles that can attack at 600 miles (1000 km). And we cant have any NEXTGEN capacity until LATE 2020s.... Guess we should start mounting patriot missile batteries on trawlers to patrol the 7 seas 24/7. That's a plan!

I sure do feel better.
 
Nuclearmisslenut said:
BadKarma said:
AlbertGrand said:
I think the one thing that unites all normal people is that we don't want nuclear or any kind of war.
But there are people in high positions who ain't normal and we need to realise it.



Sadly, I must disagree. Humans are violent by nature. We're violent among ourselves, we're violent to our surroundings. At it's core, wars are no different than the bigger kid thumping the smaller kid, and taking his lunch money. It's just on a much larger scale. Until we -as a species- evolve beyond the desire to kill, there will always be war. :(
I have to agree with Badkarma, I do not fear Nuclear war.

Yes, but I sure do respect it and do sadly believe at least one more nuclear bomb will be detonated against a civilian target somewhere, sometime before we figure out how to make them obsolete.

"One might be led to question whether the scientists acted wisely in presenting the statesmen of the world with this appalling problem. Actually there was no choice. Once basic knowledge is acquired, any attempt at preventing its fruition would be as futile as hoping to stop the earth from revolving around the sun. "
— Enrico Fermi
 
Here's what I wrote on it:

http://thesentinel.ca/russia-warns-nato-to-stop-moving-troops-eastward/

Lots of IF in the text, but I hope you like it!
 
JoWade said:
Here's what I wrote on it:

http://thesentinel.ca/russia-warns-nato-to-stop-moving-troops-eastward/

Lots of IF in the text, but I hope you like it!

I would like any scenario that avoids war.

With everything that's happening, I just sat through 2 hours of UK election debate, and foreign affairs wasn't mentioned once, apart from a baffling intervention from the Scottish party that we should not have a nuclear deterrent.

30 minutes discussing young peoples issues, 30 years ago I was a young person and cared about issues with USSR, but this was just university fees. Young people so self absorbed today :(
 
AlbertGrand said:
JoWade said:
Here's what I wrote on it:

http://thesentinel.ca/russia-warns-nato-to-stop-moving-troops-eastward/

Lots of IF in the text, but I hope you like it!

I would like any scenario that avoids war.

With everything that's happening, I just sat through 2 hours of UK election debate, and foreign affairs wasn't mentioned once, apart from a baffling intervention from the Scottish party that we should not have a nuclear deterrent.

30 minutes discussing young peoples issues, 30 years ago I was a young person and cared about issues with USSR, but this was just university fees. Young people so self absorbed today :(

Um... I'm an adolescent, and I'd say I'm not self absorbed. There are other people in the younger generation who aren't.

I think the real problem is the perception. Who is to say they are not to use a term, "living in the present?"
 
AlbertGrand said:
30 minutes discussing young peoples issues, 30 years ago I was a young person and cared about issues with USSR, but this was just university fees. Young people so self absorbed today :(

not all of us young people are ignorant, I prommise, but when politicians discuss "young peoples issues" it's just token vote winning like most other things they talk about :/ and lets face it, international afairs (especialy military) isn't exactly lighthearted easy to dip into talking material.
 
Well, by definition any young person who comes onto this site will be interested in world affairs, so that is good. But even 10 years ago, the young people who were organising against Blair over the Iraq war and making that an election issue were important and reassuring. Yet I don't hear anyone wanting to question our PM about Libya, Syria or NATO expansion in this campaign.

I wrote an email to our CND asking whether they would raise these issues in the campaign, but they haven't written back. Possibly because I suggested their obsession with scrapping Trident was the wrong issue for the peace movement to be pursuing right now.

Feel I'm fighting a losing battle and the next govt will follow the US neocon agenda blindly. Not like Thatcher... She challenged and questioned Reagan as we now know, and the alliance was better for it.
 
The younger generation is indeed self-absorbed. However, many younglings are very intelligent, probably more than many "oldlings" lol :P.

The access to social media is not only bad, it gives them the opportunity to know exactly what is going on as soon as it happens. The easy access to media also give them the ability to see both side of the story.
 
I think I was just put off by a young girl who asked a question... It was all 'me me me, what will you politicians do for ME?!'

It shocked me, cause for the last 15 years I've been relying on the young to give us all hope! Hopefully just a bad example of this generation of 18 yr olds.
 
Nuclearmisslenut said:
BadKarma said:
AlbertGrand said:
I think the one thing that unites all normal people is that we don't want nuclear or any kind of war.
But there are people in high positions who ain't normal and we need to realise it.



Sadly, I must disagree. Humans are violent by nature. We're violent among ourselves, we're violent to our surroundings. At it's core, wars are no different than the bigger kid thumping the smaller kid, and taking his lunch money. It's just on a much larger scale. Until we -as a species- evolve beyond the desire to kill, there will always be war. :(
I have to agree with Badkarma, I do not fear Nuclear war.


Whoa whoa whoa. I never said I didn't fear nuclear war. I DO fear it. At least the effects of one, and the challenges that would be imposed on even basic survival. As Albert Einstein said "I know not with what weapons world war three will be fought, but world war four will be fought with sticks and stones." So, yes. I fear nuclear war.
 
I'd like to think that TPTB aren't quite so hell bent on the destruction of our planet, and our way of life as we know it, too.
 
Sadly, I must disagree. Humans are violent by nature. We're violent among ourselves, we're violent to our surroundings. At it's core, wars are no different than the bigger kid thumping the smaller kid, and taking his lunch money. It's just on a much larger scale. Until we -as a species- evolve beyond the desire to kill, there will always be war. :([/quote]
I have to agree with Badkarma, I do not fear Nuclear war.[/quote]


Whoa whoa whoa. I never said I didn't fear nuclear war. I DO fear it. At least the effects of one, and the challenges that would be imposed on even basic survival. As Albert Einstein said "I know not with what weapons world war three will be fought, but world war four will be fought with sticks and stones." So, yes. I fear nuclear war.[/quote]


Oh no, no, no I didn't mean it like that, I meant to say I don't fear Nuclear War.
 
Tanith said:
emphram said:
Didn't anyone remember April fools day?...

Yes, but that to all appearances is a legitimate story and not a "prank".

If anything, the complete opposite. Retired US generals reactivated alongside retired USSR generals to go and do a secret meeting... what???? Thats the plot to a bad stephen seagull (however his name is spelled) movie. Sources? Pictures? The story is largely ignored by the public and by most news networks. It is terribky written, makes no sense, and probably absolutely false.
 
Tanith said:
...which is why I said "to all appearances". Unfortunately, however, both the media and the general public tend to ignore a lot of things until it's coming down the pike at 'em.

So that leaves the matter of the legitimacy of that source, and that's something I'm simply unsure of. But we're past April 1 now, and the story is still out there...

:?
I actually am on Tanith's side about this guys. It is past April 1st and it actually is still out there.
The news and general public need to wake up and smell the coffee.
 
The Elbe Group is a real group of persons which consist of former American and Russian government officials. You can look up their website.

Have fun sticking your head in the sand emphram.
 
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