**Some** Western Officials Ask Ukraine Not To Liberate Crimea

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Some Western officials asked Ukraine not to liberate Crimea, an official says:​

Some Western officials have asked Ukraine not to liberate Russian-occupied Crimea over fears that Moscow would pull the nuclear lever, Permanent Representative of the Ukrainian President in Crimea Tamila Tasheva told Polish Press Agency on May 5.

Some Western officials asked Ukraine not to liberate Crimea, an official says

Some Western officials have asked Ukraine not to liberate Russian-occupied Crimea over fears that Moscow would pull the nuclear lever, Permanent Representative of the Ukrainian President in Crimea Tam...

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Un f****** believable. I am beyond furious.... Who wants to bet it was Macron the & Scholz that asked them not too liberate their own land! What pitiful shameful actions taken by those two! Shame on you fools!

 

[Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱]

I'm glad Ukraine is going to liberate Crimea regardless and take back every inch of their land no matter what the hell those clowns have to say. But the nerves to even ask them that! *

 

[Bravo]

Un f****** believable. I am beyond furious.... Who wants to bet it was Macron the & Scholz that asked them not too liberate their own land! What pitiful shameful actions taken by those two! Shame on you fools!

I guess you're right. Thats so embarassing

 

[Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱]

I guess you're right. Thats so embarassing

It really blows my mind they would say that.

 

[Bravo]

It really blows my mind they would say that.

If you check daily German Politics, you will go crazy instantly. It is unbelievable what is up here.

 

[Saguenay]

There is the US equivalent which refuses to send a single soldier to help Ukraine, for fear of provoking a direct US#Russian war.
Americans! looked at yourself in the mirror before criticizing your allies.

 

[Dr Arthur]

There is the US equivalent which refuses to send a single soldier to help Ukraine, for fear of provoking a direct US#Russian war.
Americans! looked at yourself in the mirror before criticizing your allies.

Just like pre WW2 where the USA had a strong non-involvement, isolationist policy. Fortunately they had a wise leader with Roosevelt but unfortunately that is not the case today

 

[Bravo]

There is the US equivalent which refuses to send a single soldier to help Ukraine, for fear of provoking a direct US#Russian war.
Americans! looked at yourself in the mirror before criticizing your allies.

You're missing the point. Without the massive US Engagement (and the British as well), the Ukraine would have been defeated in 2022. The EU did only work after pressure from the White House. Germans did not want to deliver anything to Ukraine, France also. As far as I remember, the German Leaders send 5.000 Helmets or so at the beginning and then? The Polish PM said it right: "Das muss ein Witz sein?"

So don't blame the US for the EU Cowardice and Mismanagement of last decades.

 

[Irag8er]

There is the US equivalent which refuses to send a single soldier to help Ukraine, for fear of provoking a direct US#Russian war.
Americans! looked at yourself in the mirror before criticizing your allies.

Just like pre WW2 where the USA had a strong non-involvement, isolationist policy. Fortunately they had a wise leader with Roosevelt but unfortunately that is not the case today

So what the point of both comments is the U.S. should not be afraid of being Involved in the commencement of WWIII. Am I interpreting them correctly?

 

[Saguenay]

So what the point of both comments is the U.S. should not be afraid of being Involved in the commencement of WWIII. Am I interpreting them correctly?

Not really, the article doesn't mention any countries at all, so no proof that it's Germany and France, pure speculation.

 

[DEFCON Warning System]

They actually have a point. Retaking Crimea is a serious red line for Russia which may prompt them to go nuclear.

Is nuclear war worth getting Crimea back for Ukraine?

Not saying yes or no. I'm merely understanding why they would make such a request.

 

[Six]

They actually have a point. Retaking Crimea is a serious red line for Russia which may prompt them to go nuclear.

Is nuclear war worth getting Crimea back for Ukraine?

Not saying yes or no. I'm merely understanding why they would make such a request.

There's only two ways Ukraine gets Crimea back.
Russia totally collapses.... Super bad for everyone.
Ukraine tries taking it back and we slip into the unknown.
Crimea is Russia now. It's not fair, it's not right but there's the way it should be and the way it is.

 

[Publius]

In any war or conflict the end is not always sure. If it were no one would fight. I’ve always maintained retaking Crimea is an unknown.
There was western support to enable Ukraine to defend itself after the invasion last year.

Crimea was lost in 2014 when the west did nothing to help Ukraine retain it.
It is for the time being lost and it’s final status remains to be seen.

But during this round of the greater conflict absent a collapse of the Russian government Crimea is likely out of reach.

 

[Yingyang]

Most except some obviously have no idea as it is not a board game here. Crimea is Russia like it or not. Russian people believe this and Putin would use nukes even if only tactical to start . Those against trying to take Crimea back, more than likely include American advise not too. Just like nato and America not sending uniform soldiers ,airforce and navy to go directly against Russian military. This surely isn't a surprise. Unless tears have been held back for awhile now and you need to vent.

 

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Crimea is Russia like it or not.

No it's not.

 

[Onoya]

No it's not.

Thing is that it's controlled by Russia since 2014, and the most of the russian people consider it as Russia, the same as any other russian region. Russia is likely to react the same if Ukraine takes it as if it was any other russian region.
I guess that Yingyang said that in that sense. And i agree with that statement
Even if i support Ukraine to take it, i do think it's pretty risky considering that Russians will use everything they can to defend it

 

[Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱]

Putins empty threats. No validity to them anymore. As Biden says where going to stand with them for as long as it takes for them to retake every inch of their land.

 

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Putins empty threats. No validity to them anymore. As Biden says where going to stand with them for as long as it takes for them to retake every inch of their land.

Is there a risk? Sure. But we can't let tyrants get away with breaking international rule of law/norms and cannot let dictators continue to not respect their sovereign neighbors borders.

We beat these evil systems before and will do it again. We have fought proxy wars with nuclear powers before and never went nuclear. We have to stop these monsters that we aloud to fester/grow for so long unchecked.

 

[Publius]

The question of who Crimea belongs to is a open debate.
During its colonial and soviet period Russia moved a lot of Russian migrants into regions like Crimea. So what the population actually desires is not clear in the majority.
It cannot be ignored that the Soviets ceded Crimea to Ukraine. A person has to acknowledge there was a political reason for that. Implying that Crimea is a mixed population easier administered by Ukraine.
So for me it’s clear the question of who actually has a more legitimate claim to Crimea is unknown.

All that said I don’t believe russia would go nuclear over it. That is not a practical risk. They would fight even more stridently than they have in Bakhmut.
It’s always a matter of politics and there is likely not the political support in NATO to support a protracted conflict to retake Crimea.
It’s just not there, it wasn’t there in 2014 and not there today.
Helping defend Ukraine prewar boundaries yes, but likely not be beyond that.