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Taiwan Tensions | US - Japan - China - Australia
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So, it is your opinion that Australia would not help in a war with China because US policy in becoming increasingly irrelevant?
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Trump and the USA has recently not been acting in a manner that could be consider appropriate for an ally. It has instead been demonstrating increased adversarial behaviour. Trade and tariffs so the answer is yes. Australia needs to make a decision between it's historic defence partner or current trade partners. History changes and reviews occur.
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Yes
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There is no real intention on China's part to do so.
The USA has just proven that it, essentially, can't and Japan / Australia / Philippines are not going in without them.
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So, by current trade partners you mean China? Think China would help defend Australia against the US in a hot war?
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With attitude changes occurring in Australia support for the USA may no longer be guaranteed. There is a possibility there may not be any Australian support.
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Really? I see our government stupid enough to send half our navy in support to said conflict , losing that defence capability abroad and leaving us with bugger all to defend at home. In saying that we already have bugger all to use regardless.
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Thanks for the unsolicited critique.
What makes anyone think the recent rules based order was working.
Nukes were proliferating, allies were letting their militaries atrophy into irrelevancy.
All while gutting their energy infrastructure and becoming completely depended on a supposed adversaries hydrocarbon imports.
This “erosion” or rules based order has seen the end of seventy years of adversarial relations between Israel and the gulf states.
The Gulf states throwing their lot in with the US and Israel to destroy Irans military and choke out their economy. Up to suffering random missile bombardment from Iran. All while continuing to advance diplomatic relations between Israel and gulf states.
And while I know non-Americans wont really appreciate this. We’ve seen the reversal of Chinese political, economic, and military inroads into Latin Americas.
That Chinese encroachment into Latin America was a product of this “rules based order” so if that is what we’re concerned about fading into irrelevancy.
So color me unimpressed.
As far as a war between China and AJSKT
It’s not going to happen. I’m not going to say it wouldn’t be bad, because of would. It would very likely go nuclear.
If the CCP leadership decides war is their only option. It will not have anything to do with foreign relations. It will be because they will be close to being deposed domestically. And that a war is only thing they can do to ward off losing power.
So if your worried about war in the pacific watch the CCP stability
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very true but the actions of the USA will have an impact especially with how the CCP responds.
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This is very true, either by deterring or provoking.
As far as Japans leanings
Japan Reacts to the New US National Security Strategy
The plan codifies demands for Japan to spend more on defense and increase its capabilities – efforts Japanese officials say are already underway.
Japan Reacts to the New US National Security Strategy
The plan codifies demands for Japan to spend more on defense and increase its capabilities – efforts Japanese officials say are already underway.
thediplomat.com
South Korea is not responding negatively to US proposals for increased defense commitments either.
US-South Korea alliance is evolving after Trump-Lee summit, top diplomat says
The U.S. and South Korea are deepening their strategic alliance even as Seoul works to reclaim wartime control of its military from Washington.
The US has also green lite to SK building nuclear powered attack Sub with US providing support with reactor and propulsion areas.
USA gives South Korea Green Light to Build Nuclear Submarines - Naval News
U.S President Donald Trump has announced that the U.S government has given the go ahead for South Korea to build Nuclear Submarines on U.S soil.
www.navalnews.com
Just as there is discussion in Japan to also build nuclear powered attack subs.
Japan and South Korea both have proven ship building capabilities.
South Korea is already major shipbuilder in the world. With an industrial capacity that is already spun up and running.
So the question is not so much could China take on the US, Japan and ROK.
Of course the could “take us on”. Could they do so and prevail without unacceptable losses. That’s the real question. And how soon might that window close, if open at all.
After all we have debated what kind of conventional attacks from Russia into Europe might the US tolerate before responding with nukes. What kind of conventional loses would they allow to happen in Japan or SK before we might escalate.
Start seeing IRBM falling in Tokyo Seoul or Taipei. That’s a completely different calculus for Washington to run.
The other question that should be asked is what sleeping military industrial and technology giant has China woken in their own backyard.
Japan is exploring a full range of defensive and offensive weapons to counter China NK and Russia in Asia.
We already recognize japans capabilities to produce cutting edge technology and industrial capabilities once they turn their attention to it.
Japan is also the third largest shipbuilder in the world after China and South Korea. They are also investing heavily in maritime capacity already.
Australia says its 2026 Indo-Pacific regional presence deployments are continuing, with HMAS Toowoomba active across the Philippines, South China Sea, Balikatan, live-fire serials, and replenishment-at-sea work.
Australia says Balikatan also tested contested medical evacuation logistics, including its first overseas test of a critical care patient transfer team. That points to battlefield medical planning where air evacuation may not be available.
Australia also reported allied aviation cross-decking at sea among HMAS Toowoomba, HMCS Charlottetown, JS Ikazuchi, and USS Ashland during Balikatan. Four ships. Four navies. Three advanced ASW airborne platforms.
Balikatan 2026 included the largest Philippines-hosted multinational anti-submarine warfare exercise, involving naval forces from Australia, the Philippines, U.S., Canada, and Japan. More than 17,000 personnel took part overall.
Philippines & US conduct together for first time a tomahawk sea launched missile. This is the first time since Philippines requested tomahawks years ago:
Australia says Balikatan also tested contested medical evacuation logistics, including its first overseas test of a critical care patient transfer team. That points to battlefield medical planning where air evacuation may not be available.
Australia also reported allied aviation cross-decking at sea among HMAS Toowoomba, HMCS Charlottetown, JS Ikazuchi, and USS Ashland during Balikatan. Four ships. Four navies. Three advanced ASW airborne platforms.
Balikatan 2026 included the largest Philippines-hosted multinational anti-submarine warfare exercise, involving naval forces from Australia, the Philippines, U.S., Canada, and Japan. More than 17,000 personnel took part overall.
Philippines finally getting their tomahawks.
Also China reacted like you would expect. This is a pretty big exercise. Shocked mainstream media hasn't picked any of this up.
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China believes the U.S. could abandon Taiwan
Chinese analysts are increasingly arguing that the war with Iran exposed a key weakness of the United States — a shortage of weapons for a prolonged conflict, The New York Times reports.
According to the outlet, in just a few months of fighting, the U.S. used up a significant share of its long-range missile stockpiles.
In China, this is seen as a signal that Washington is not ready for a long war against an equal opponent.
Chinese analysts are increasingly arguing that the war with Iran exposed a key weakness of the United States — a shortage of weapons for a prolonged conflict, The New York Times reports.
According to the outlet, in just a few months of fighting, the U.S. used up a significant share of its long-range missile stockpiles.
In China, this is seen as a signal that Washington is not ready for a long war against an equal opponent.
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Xi wants Trump to say ‘O’ word
By Aadil Brar
When Chinese President Xi Jinping (習近平) sits down with US President Donald Trump in Beijing on Thursday next week, Xi is unlikely to demand a dramatic public betrayal of Taiwan. He does not need to. Beijing’s preferred victory is smaller, quieter and in some ways far more dangerous: a subtle shift in American wording that appears technical, but carries major strategic meaning.
The ask is simple: replace the longstanding US formulation that Washington “does not support Taiwan independence” with a harder one — that Washington “opposes” Taiwan independence. One word changes; a deterrence structure built over decades begins to shift.
www.taipeitimes.com
By Aadil Brar
When Chinese President Xi Jinping (習近平) sits down with US President Donald Trump in Beijing on Thursday next week, Xi is unlikely to demand a dramatic public betrayal of Taiwan. He does not need to. Beijing’s preferred victory is smaller, quieter and in some ways far more dangerous: a subtle shift in American wording that appears technical, but carries major strategic meaning.
The ask is simple: replace the longstanding US formulation that Washington “does not support Taiwan independence” with a harder one — that Washington “opposes” Taiwan independence. One word changes; a deterrence structure built over decades begins to shift.
Xi wants Trump to say ‘O’ word - Taipei Times
Bringing Taiwan to the World and the World to Taiwan
www.taipeitimes.com
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Ahead of Trump-Xi summit, Beijing puts Taiwan front and centre. But will US make any concessions?
Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi had said in a call with US Secretary of State Marco Rubio on April 30 that the Taiwan issue concerns China’s “core interests” and represents the “biggest risk” in China-US relations.
asianews.network
Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi had said in a call with US Secretary of State Marco Rubio on April 30 that the Taiwan issue concerns China’s “core interests” and represents the “biggest risk” in China-US relations.
Ahead of Trump-Xi summit, Beijing puts Taiwan front and centre. But will US make any concessions?
Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi had said in a call with US Secretary of State Marco Rubio on April 30 that the Taiwan issue concerns China’s “core interests” and represents the “biggest risk” in China-US relations.
asianews.network
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How do Taiwanese feel about the Cheng-Xi meeting?
www.brookings.edu
How do Taiwanese feel about the Cheng-Xi meeting? | Brookings
Lev Nachman and Wei-Ting Yen present original survey data evaluating how Taiwanese voters saw the Cheng-Xi meeting.
www.brookings.edu
Japan’s Joint Staff held the 10th in person Japan NATO Joint Staff Talks with NATO’s International Military Staff on May 9 in Ichigaya, Tokyo.
Officials exchanged views on the strategic environment, defense policy, defense structures, and future Japan NATO defense cooperation under the 2023 Individually Tailored Partnership Programme.
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With attitude changes occurring globally following the actions of the Trump administration, support for the USA may no longer be guaranteed from anybody.