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Sadly I'd apply this to Iran/Israel, India/Pakistan & Thailand/Cambodia as well. Sure, ceasefires were achieved and are holding, but the core issues that sparked conflict have not been worked through.
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Trump - Zelensky Meeting in Washington
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Last time Volodymyr Zelensky was in the Oval Office, a reporter asked why he wasn’t wearing a suit. This time, according to a European official and another person also involved in planning the summit, the White House has asked that he don a suit and tie.
Zelensky to Fox News: It is impossible to cede any Ukrainian territory to Russia.
Zelensky urges Trump to "build peace through strength" against Russia.
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I question why Zelensky is even wasting his time going to the White House. The gap between the U.S. and Ukraine’s position is so wide they’re not going to be able to bridge it. We all know this is gonna end with the White House saying they give up on trying to solve the conflict, Ukraine continuing to fight, and Europe continuing to take over arming them.
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Glad to see their priorities are in order....
Tomorrow all 27 European leaders will hold a debrief call hosted by Council President Costa following the meeting in Washington.
Italian Leader Arives in Washington, Video:
British Leader Arives in Washington, Video:
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Ukrainian delegation has reportedly brought a map to the White House.
BREAKING: Volodymyr Zelenskyy has revealed why he met with European and NATO leaders at the Ukrainian embassy in Washington ahead of talks with Donald Trump.
Zelensky:
"Our main goal is a reliable and lasting peace for Ukraine and for the whole of Europe. And it is important that the momentum of all our meetings lead to precisely this result. We understand that we shouldn't expect Putin to voluntarily abandon aggression and new attempts at conquest. That is why pressure must work, and it must be joint pressure – from the United States and Europe, and from everyone in the world who respects the right to life and the international order.
We must stop the killings, and I thank our partners who are working toward this and ultimately toward a reliable and dignified peace. Together with the leaders of Finland, the United Kingdom, Italy, the European Commission, and the NATO Secretary General, we coordinated our positions ahead of the meeting with President Trump. Ukraine is ready for a real truce and for establishing a new security architecture. We need peace."
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Zelensky:
"Our main goal is a reliable and lasting peace for Ukraine and for the whole of Europe. And it is important that the momentum of all our meetings lead to precisely this result. We understand that we shouldn't expect Putin to voluntarily abandon aggression and new attempts at conquest. That is why pressure must work, and it must be joint pressure – from the United States and Europe, and from everyone in the world who respects the right to life and the international order.
We must stop the killings, and I thank our partners who are working toward this and ultimately toward a reliable and dignified peace. Together with the leaders of Finland, the United Kingdom, Italy, the European Commission, and the NATO Secretary General, we coordinated our positions ahead of the meeting with President Trump. Ukraine is ready for a real truce and for establishing a new security architecture. We need peace."
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All European leaders have arrived at the White House, except for President Zelensky.
No red carpet. No greeting from Trump.
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Figures, Trump hates to see another world leader being respected much, much more than him.
The Wall Street Journal reports that the US may use military intelligence sharing as a tool to pressure for an agreement on Ukraine.
️️Trump did not meet the European leaders in person upon their arrival at the White House, — WSJ.
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As usual more comes out with time.
One of the sticking points for Ukraine as it should be is security guarantees.
And while NATO membership for Ukraine remains a hard NO.
Everyone speaks of NaTO membership as only being opposed to by Russia. And Trump being the only impediment in nato to it.
as of last fall seven nations including Belgium Germany Spain and US opposed Ukraine joining nato. Even this summer five oppose it.
www.ukrainianworldcongress.org
Yet all we hear. is Trumps opposition.
Yet now after the Alaska meeting it is being revealed Russia is not opposed to security guarantees for Ukraine from the US and a few other nato members.
www.pbs.org
www.rferl.org
Guarantees up to and including use of military force to defend Ukraine if attacked again.
Granted the proof will be in the details and positioning of forces and those remain unknown.
We shall see but it is certainly not a situation of complete capitulation to Putin.
As far as Russia not giving up the eastern provinces. Which is how it is so customarily portrayed as that alone.
It is an exchange of occupied territories by both parties. This again is not at all an unusual circumstance in negotiated settlements.
That Zelinski, publically at least, is still demanding not giving up anything is more of a stumbling block to an end that what apparently Putin is willing to offer.
I would say if one is adamantly opposed to Ukraine conceding anything. It might be time to ruck up and book a flight to Ukraine post haste.
I’m not personally happy Ukraine might have to concede anything. But I’m also a realist and I see no scenario where no matter how much money and arms we give to Ukraine that they will be able to drive Russia out.
If someone can show that Ukraine can still drive Russia out. Up to and including flooding NATO troops to the frontlines next week. I’m all ears
One of the sticking points for Ukraine as it should be is security guarantees.
And while NATO membership for Ukraine remains a hard NO.
Everyone speaks of NaTO membership as only being opposed to by Russia. And Trump being the only impediment in nato to it.
as of last fall seven nations including Belgium Germany Spain and US opposed Ukraine joining nato. Even this summer five oppose it.
Politico: Seven countries oppose Ukraine's NATO membership
At least seven countries are against Ukraine's immediate membership to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
www.ukrainianworldcongress.org
Yet all we hear. is Trumps opposition.
Yet now after the Alaska meeting it is being revealed Russia is not opposed to security guarantees for Ukraine from the US and a few other nato members.
Putin agreed to let U.S., Europe offer Ukraine NATO-like security protections, Trump envoy says
Russia's Vladimir Putin agreed at his summit with President Donald Trump to allow the United States and its European allies to offer Ukraine a security guarantee resembling NATO’s collective defense mandate as part of an eventual deal to end the 3 1/2-year war in Ukraine, special U.S. envoy...
www.pbs.org
What Would An 'Article 5-Like' Pact Mean For Ukraine?
The United States and Europe may offer Ukraine “Article 5-like” protections -- security promises modeled on NATO’s defense pact. But without full NATO membership, can such guarantees really stop Russia from striking again?
www.rferl.org
Guarantees up to and including use of military force to defend Ukraine if attacked again.
Granted the proof will be in the details and positioning of forces and those remain unknown.
We shall see but it is certainly not a situation of complete capitulation to Putin.
As far as Russia not giving up the eastern provinces. Which is how it is so customarily portrayed as that alone.
It is an exchange of occupied territories by both parties. This again is not at all an unusual circumstance in negotiated settlements.
That Zelinski, publically at least, is still demanding not giving up anything is more of a stumbling block to an end that what apparently Putin is willing to offer.
I would say if one is adamantly opposed to Ukraine conceding anything. It might be time to ruck up and book a flight to Ukraine post haste.
I’m not personally happy Ukraine might have to concede anything. But I’m also a realist and I see no scenario where no matter how much money and arms we give to Ukraine that they will be able to drive Russia out.
If someone can show that Ukraine can still drive Russia out. Up to and including flooding NATO troops to the frontlines next week. I’m all ears
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Ukraine is definitely going to have to give up territory but giving up your defensive line to a country who routinely breaks agreements is signing your own death warrant no matter the security guarantee.As usual more comes out with time.
One of the sticking points for Ukraine as it should be is security guarantees.
And while NATO membership for Ukraine remains a hard NO.
Everyone speaks of NaTO membership as only being opposed to by Russia. And Trump being the only impediment in nato to it.
as of last fall seven nations including Belgium Germany Spain and US opposed Ukraine joining nato. Even this summer five oppose it.
Politico: Seven countries oppose Ukraine's NATO membership
At least seven countries are against Ukraine's immediate membership to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
Yet all we hear. is Trumps opposition.
Yet now after the Alaska meeting it is being revealed Russia is not opposed to security guarantees for Ukraine from the US and a few other nato members.
Putin agreed to let U.S., Europe offer Ukraine NATO-like security protections, Trump envoy says
Russia's Vladimir Putin agreed at his summit with President Donald Trump to allow the United States and its European allies to offer Ukraine a security guarantee resembling NATO’s collective defense mandate as part of an eventual deal to end the 3 1/2-year war in Ukraine, special U.S. envoy...
What Would An 'Article 5-Like' Pact Mean For Ukraine?
The United States and Europe may offer Ukraine “Article 5-like” protections -- security promises modeled on NATO’s defense pact. But without full NATO membership, can such guarantees really stop Russia from striking again?
Guarantees up to and including use of military force to defend Ukraine if attacked again.
Granted the proof will be in the details and positioning of forces and those remain unknown.
We shall see but it is certainly not a situation of complete capitulation to Putin.
As far as Russia not giving up the eastern provinces. Which is how it is so customarily portrayed as that alone.
It is an exchange of occupied territories by both parties. This again is not at all an unusual circumstance in negotiated settlements.
That Zelinski, publically at least, is still demanding not giving up anything is more of a stumbling block to an end that what apparently Putin is willing to offer.
I would say if one is adamantly opposed to Ukraine conceding anything. It might be time to ruck up and book a flight to Ukraine post haste.
I’m not personally happy Ukraine might have to concede anything. But I’m also a realist and I see no scenario where no matter how much money and arms we give to Ukraine that they will be able to drive Russia out.
If someone can show that Ukraine can still drive Russia out. Up to and including flooding NATO troops to the frontlines next week. I’m all ears
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I hope Z gets to have lunch this time.
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