UA-RU | April 1st-10th | DISCUSSION

[Splinters]

Shouldn't have taught our brothers Nazism and turned them into a weapon-state against us. Expansion and war waging are done not just through weaponry, but mostly - in mind nowadays. Don't be that naive, nor acting innocent.

They're Nazis because Russia wants to completely delegitimize them as a state. I can't say anything about Ukraines use to the West and what we've done to guide their actions, but we certainly didn't teach them to be Nazis. The Ukranian president is Jewish himself, so I find the claim that they're Nazis almost completely nonsense.

Ukraine chose a path that Russia, or more specifically Putin, didn't like. So then, they became a pawn of the Western governments in some plot to destroy Russia. They became Nazis, and monsters, people that cut off the genitalia of POWs, people that want to completely destroy Russians in their country. That's just not true.

Noone wants to destroy Russia. The sanctions are there because of actions taken by Russia, not because there is some grand plot to destroy Russia as a state.

 

[Obreid]

Shouldn't have taught our brothers Nazism and turned them into a weapon-state against us. Expansion and war waging are done not just through weaponry, but mostly - in mind nowadays. Don't be that naive, nor acting innocent.

Neither should you claim innocence or objective evaluator of facts.

 

[Obreid]

I’ve evaluated the news and positions based upon the Ukrainian response to the invasion, they fight.

Hers is another reason I am comfortable with my choice of who to support. 70 years of neutrality of Finland and Sweden washing away because of Russian aggression.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1510354158746021895

 

[RiffRaff]

Okay, don't make things personal, people. Any comment that has the word "you" in it should be reevaluated before you click "Post" to make sure it's not a personal attack.

Simmer down. We all have different perspectives on this crisis, and that diversity gives us better analysis. It's okay to disagree with someone's viewpoint - but it's the viewpoint that gets debated and discussed, not the person making it.

 

[Obreid]

Okay, don't make things personal, people. Any comment that has the word "you" in it should be reevaluated before you click "Post" to make sure it's not a personal attack.

Simmer down. We all have different perspectives on this crisis, and that diversity gives us better analysis. It's okay to disagree with someone's viewpoint - but it's the viewpoint that gets debated and discussed, not the person making it.

No the viewpoints don’t get debated the relevant facts of the matter get deflected with talking points and linguistic gymnastics

 

[Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱]

No the viewpoints don’t get debated the relevant facts of the matter get deflected with talking points and linguistic gymnastics

I asked RiffRaff advise if to censor a few things said here that are are clearly misinformation propaganda basic repeated statments from the Kremlin. As I feel similar.

But the DWS likes to see what the other side feels or says. It does help US with our anylisis. RiffRaff is right. But I do feel your frustrations. Point out the flaws in his argument, just don't attack him.

 

[dave II judgement day]

what has happened in bucha and around kyiv, I pray our leaders have the necessary restraint

 

[Obreid]

what has happened in bucha and around kyiv, I pray our leaders have the necessary restraint

What necessary restraint is needed?

 

[dave II judgement day]

What necessary restraint is needed?

the hydrogen bomb being detonated en masse would not solve things

 

[Obreid]

the hydrogen bomb being detonated en masse would not solve things

No of course, I meant what happens that requires restraint. I believe I know what your referring to but want to clarify what it is

 

[Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱]

the hydrogen bomb being detonated en masse would not solve things

Look I been seeing some really fucked up shit all day since Russia really pulling out of a lot of places.

But at this point we need to do every danm thing possible short of nuclear. At this point I am for regime change in Russia if we go about it in a NON-military way. Full throttled get Putin the fuck out of power by any means short of military intervention as a option.

 

[dave II judgement day]

Look I been seeing some really fucked up shit all day since Russia really pulling out of a lot of places.

But at this point we need to do every danm thing possible short of nuclear. At this point I am for regime change in Russia if we go about it in a NON-military way. Full throttled get Putin the fuck out of power by any means short of military intervention as a option.

we would be putting a lot of trust in the guys who did this to not start a nuclear war if we intervene. I dont know. I dont know anymore

 

[Obreid]

Look I been seeing some really fucked up shit all day since Russia really pulling out of a lot of places.

But at this point we need to do every danm thing possible short of nuclear. At this point I am for regime change in Russia if we go about it in a NON-military way. Full throttled get Putin the fuck out of power by any means short of military intervention as a option.

I’m not for regime change in Russia, no indications what would come would be better and Central Asia would become even more messed up.
I’m for Russia quiting Ukraine and their troops being withdrawn.

 

[Totality 🇺🇦 🇮🇱]

I’m not for regime change in Russia, no indications what would come would be better and Central Asia would become even more messed up.
I’m for Russia quiting Ukraine and their troops being withdrawn.

Russia can put itself back together quick. They have many times. Just need remove Putin. Question is how without military intervention.

 

[dave II judgement day]

Russia can put itself back together quick. They have many times. Just need remove Putin. Question is how without military intervention.

throughout history great pain and injustice had to be simply endured for incredible lengths, It seems we may be in such a situation. H-bomb means no more heroes, no more valiance. cowardice or complete death. this is the terrible price of letting the atomic genie out of the bottle.

 

[Obreid]

throughout history great pain and injustice had to be simply endured for incredible lengths, It seems we may be in such a situation. H-bomb means no more heroes, no more valiance. cowardice or complete death. this is the terrible price of letting the atomic genie out of the bottle.

That is an assumption. Now I say that knowing full well it’s sounds like I’m endorsing there use.
I’m not
What I am saying is fear of that assumption cannot prevent a people from taking a stand simply because of the fear of that assumption.

US and Russia can never fight it will lead to nuclear war.
Yet we fought against each other through proxy in Korea Vietnam we fought against each other in Syria and in many other places during the Cold War.
We’ve seen civilian planes be shot down navel vessels sunk.
We were warned nato can’t get involved in Ukraine it would be WW3. Yet nato has provided serious weapons and aid to Ukraine and forced real time intel reporting to them and no WW 3

We do have to be careful yes. But it doesn’t mean Armageddon.
Aside from the remove Putin position I haven’t read Or heard one western comment regarding entering Russia or overthrowing their gov or nation.
There is no rational reason for either side to escalate. If the argument is Putin is no longer rational well then it makes no difference when or how this is settled does it. Might as well press the issue now when Russia is weak and NATO is unified.
Because if that is the reason we back down then there will be no end to this type of behavior. We’ll be discussing it again in 2030.

 

[Friendly Engineer]

I think Ukraine is going to be Afghanistan all over again for the Russians.
There will likely be a raging well-armed insurgency and constant attacks by Ukrainian forces.

 

[Nick Scarbelli]

throughout history great pain and injustice had to be simply endured for incredible lengths, It seems we may be in such a situation. H-bomb means no more heroes, no more valiance. cowardice or complete death. this is the terrible price of letting the atomic genie out of the bottle.

this comment is just doom porn...please be real right now there are no nukes in use and besides there is just of ugly thing like N.B.C

 

[TruthandJustice]

That is an assumption. Now I say that knowing full well it’s sounds like I’m endorsing there use.
I’m not
What I am saying is fear of that assumption cannot prevent a people from taking a stand simply because of the fear of that assumption.

US and Russia can never fight it will lead to nuclear war.
Yet we fought against each other through proxy in Korea Vietnam we fought against each other in Syria and in many other places during the Cold War.
We’ve seen civilian planes be shot down navel vessels sunk.
We were warned nato can’t get involved in Ukraine it would be WW3. Yet nato has provided serious weapons and aid to Ukraine and forced real time intel reporting to them and no WW 3

We do have to be careful yes. But it doesn’t mean Armageddon.
Aside from the remove Putin position I haven’t read Or heard one western comment regarding entering Russia or overthrowing their gov or nation.
There is no rational reason for either side to escalate. If the argument is Putin is no longer rational well then it makes no difference when or how this is settled does it. Might as well press the issue now when Russia is weak and NATO is unified.
Because if that is the reason we back down then there will be no end to this type of behavior. We’ll be discussing it again in 2030.

We all have the capacity to do evil. The seed is buried in all of us. Power has a tendency of acting as a miracle grow to that seed which is why term limits should be forced upon all nations and sections of government if we really wish to put an end to this.

 

[dave II judgement day]

this comment is just doom porn...please be real right now there are no nukes in use and besides there is just of ugly thing like N.B.C

nato planes/boats/boots get involved and bad things happen, maybe worse than anyone has ever seen and maybe the worst anyone ever will see