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UA-RU-NATO | DISCUSSIONS 14th July - 1st October 2023

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My point is that the Ukrainians are used to wage the war of the United States and NATO as a proxy.
The plan has existed since 2014, Americans like you have too simple worldview.

Here, too, there is not only black and white, even if you don't understand that. It is not a war for democracy or for freedom, it is a war for the strategic interests of the United States.

Isn't that what war is generally about! Political and strategic interests in the extreme. When all else fails the US will kick down your door, drag you out and kill you! Our military is very good at it, IF THE POLITICIANS LET THEM!
The only thing we like better than shooting each other is shooting someone else. Good times. <not>

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️️️GOP Leader McCarthy rejected Zelensky’s request to address Congress during visit:
This is pathetic. ⁦⁦Speaker McCarthy⁩ does not deserve to have a portrait of Ronald Reagan on his office wall. Under his leadership, ⁦House GOP⁩ has abandoned everything Reagan stood for.

Most GOP lawmakers have stopped fighting for Democracy & America abroad. This news is the clearest message yet to those so blind to that fact.
 
This is pathetic. ⁦⁦Speaker McCarthy⁩ does not deserve to have a portrait of Ronald Reagan on his office wall. Under his leadership, ⁦House GOP⁩ has abandoned everything Reagan stood for.

Most GOP lawmakers have stopped fighting for Democracy & America abroad. This news is the clearest message yet to those so blind to that fact.
Does McCarthy's rejection of Zelenskyy's request to address Congress really equate to a rejection of support for Ukraine? And if Zelenskyy did address Congress, what information would he provide that Congress does not already know? If anything, his address to Congress would be symbolic. Do we need more symbolism over substance? If Congress, under McCarthy's leadership, continues to pass aid packages in support of Ukraine, isn't that the true substance Ukraine needs?
 
As attacks on Crimea go, you really cannot get much more provocative than this - a well-orchestrated (and possibly successful) attempt to kill the commander of the Black Sea Fleet in the heart of Sevastopol using NATO weapons. This easily out-escalates Ukrainian attempts to hit the Crimea bridge, and is possibly second only to a hypothetical attack on (rumored) nuclear storage sites in Balaklava and Krasnokamyanka.

12 hours down the road there is still no official reaction from the Kremlin, but I predict this will elicit a response.
 
He already addressed the Congress. Recently.

Churchill, an American Citizen, adressed Congress 3 times: 1941 (Pearl Harbor) 500 days later in 1943 (Fight Club) and 1952 (Cold War)

No other leader has done so in an official capacity. The UA’s troubles are severe but hardly approaching the WW2.

You dont let every leader address the Congress whenever they want/visit. The USA has an extraordinary number of foreign leaders visiting mostly due to the UN.

Im all for helping the Ukraine and personally think its a blessing for the UA president and staff not to have to be in close proximity to so many complete assholes, liars, cheats, narcissist and fools.
 
Churchill, an American Citizen, adressed Congress 3 times: 1941 (Pearl Harbor) 500 days later in 1943 (Fight Club) and 1952 (Cold War)
This is not a competition; it's not about who spoke to Congress on the most occasions. You cannot intepret this decision in a vacuum. It was meant to send a message, and it did.
No other leader has done so in an official capacity. The UA’s troubles are severe but hardly approaching the WW2.
They are approaching WW3, though, when you think about it...
Im all for helping the Ukraine and personally think its a blessing for the UA president and staff not to have to be in close proximity to so many complete assholes, liars, cheats, narcissist and fools.
This is actually oddly comforting, thanks for that remark. :)
 
Does McCarthy's rejection of Zelenskyy's request to address Congress really equate to a rejection of support for Ukraine? And if Zelenskyy did address Congress, what information would he provide that Congress does not already know? If anything, his address to Congress would be symbolic. Do we need more symbolism over substance? If Congress, under McCarthy's leadership, continues to pass aid packages in support of Ukraine, isn't that the true substance Ukraine needs?

I admit that not allowing Zelenskyy to speak diminishes his bully pulpit, and I never said it was wise of McCarthy to reject Zelenskyy's speech. Maybe I do not fully understand the definition of "support" as there seems to be a coalescence around the idea that "disallowing Zelenskyy to address Congress is the same thing as not supporting Ukraine", in spite of receiving aid packages. I would like to understand why. Also, I would like to understand what him speaking to Congress would accomplish.

To be clear, I am not expressing a favorable or unfavorable opinion of McCarthy. (In fact, I am not much a fan.) But, if McCarthy decides to let Zelenskyy address Congress but stops floating bills to support Ukraine, would that constitute support? I suspect the answer is no.

Thus, if the only definition of support is both to address Congress and to receive more aid packages, there doesn't seem to be a lot of room for compromise on the issue. I for one fully support funding Ukraine and could care less who Zelenskyy gets to talk to as long as he gets the weapons he needs to stave off the aggressor. And to borrow from a Jerry Seinfeld routine, that's really the most important part - funding Ukraine. Anybody can just talk about saving Ukraine.
 
This is not a competition; it's not about who spoke to Congress on the most occasions. You cannot intepret this decision in a vacuum. It was meant to send a message, and it did.
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So God awfully true. I Hate to applaud such grueling things but... your so right... :(
 
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McCarthy⁩ doesn’t deserve to have a portrait of Reagan on his office wall. Under his leadership, ⁦House GOP⁩ has abandoned everything Reagan stood for.

Most GOP lawmakers have stopped fighting for Democracy & America abroad. This news is the clearest message yet to those so blind to that fact.
It is just pathetic, disgusting, atrocious, and giving into enemies of the United States.

I have never seen a strong force in America in my long life (IN AMERICA) that is determined to take away the strong arm of democracies and the underminding of the democratic values home & abroad.

Edit: Doing Whataboutism since radical far right want to distract from the main point about GOP Lawmakers against democratic values home & abroad:


 
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Oh God. 🥱 Such a bore & transparent.

Its just Poland and they didn't lose interest their having a squabble over grain.
Hey that's fine. I have no problem with your choices as they are your choices. But obviously I have seen more than you as far as the three countries I mentioned. And grain is not what the subject was about. You feel free to see what you want to see. I have no issue with that.
 
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