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OReid said:
What’s also interesting in the article is this tid-bit
Recently, it has become known that, in terms of drones, buyers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have bought up almost the entire market of FPV drone components in China, according to indirect estimates, by 50-100 thousand units

Now take this type of basic operator controlled drone. And add to it AI drone swarms that communicate with each other.
www.theverge.com

Watch a swarm of drones autonomously track a human through a dense forest

The work has potential military applications, say experts
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com

Welcome to the future.
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So, in Call of Duty a conflict takes place in the not too distant future with a “caught up” North Korea. North Korea used drone swarms. AI controlled.
 
Spyglass said:
So, in Call of Duty a conflict takes place in the not too distant future with a “caught up” North Korea. North Korea used drone swarms. AI controlled.
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We have no idea what war will look like in ten years. Swarms of insect like drones moving across the countryside cataloging terrain obstacles enemy locations.
Communicating and acting just like a swarm of bees.
Everything from identifying sniper hides to relaying specific coordinates for artillery or rocket target packages.
Imagine what kind of effect this is going to have in urban warfare.
When the range issues beyond line of site are addressed.
Instead of sending out recon patrols you send out 6 or 7 sentinel drones. That do nothing but take up hidden roost and watch for enemy activity or movement.
 
OReid said:
Swarms of insect like drones moving across the countryside cataloging terrain obstacles enemy locations. Communicating and acting just like a swarm of bees. [..]
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Highly effective in regional conflicts provided that the enemy doesn't wage electromagnetic warfare, doesn't use tactical nukes (-> EMP), satellites are in orbit and there is still electricity for base stations. So, I would say that such a swarm is good for a first strike or in areas where the enemy is not jamming the connection (there are enough places). In the rest, these drones are useless. When Russians and Ukrainians are jamming the connection, drones are not working at all or with a little efficiency.
 
Arch said:
Highly effective in regional conflicts provided that the enemy doesn't wage electromagnetic warfare, doesn't use tactical nukes (-> EMP), satellites are in orbit and there is still electricity for base stations. So, I would say that such a swarm is good for a first strike or in areas where the enemy is not jamming the connection (there are enough places). In the rest, these drones are useless. When Russians and Ukrainians are jamming the connection, drones are not working at all or with a little efficiency.
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Oh it’s true they won’t be a universal tool like a battle rifle. In one of the related articles they mentioned Russia was not extremely successful in jamming their frequencies.
Ive also read on speculation of drone swarms using infrared communication as a redundancy to RF jamming.
They will be dependent on the the battle space.
Just using radar systems to target artillery locations that are firing on you. Then computing targeting for counter battery fire blows my mind.
 
OReid said:
We have no idea what war will look like in ten years. Swarms of insect like drones moving across the countryside cataloging terrain obstacles enemy locations.
Communicating and acting just like a swarm of bees.
Everything from identifying sniper hides to relaying specific coordinates for artillery or rocket target packages.
Imagine what kind of effect this is going to have in urban warfare.
When the range issues beyond line of site are addressed.
Instead of sending out recon patrols you send out 6 or 7 sentinel drones. That do nothing but take up hidden roost and watch for enemy activity or movement.
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I always get a kick out “the future of warfare” like there should be a future for it at all.
 
OReid said:
Well that is interesting, I guess compared to the cost of most military weaponry $300-400 is a pretty cheap weapon.

There is also stand-off distance for operators.
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Good follow on article about cooperation between UK AU US and Ukr.
Seems the AI drone swarm threat is at least real in deployment.
 
What are your guys' thoughts on sending Ukraine some of our decommissioned AGMs once they receive F-16s? Considering UK has already sent Storm Shadows.
 
I've been thinking from a few weeks that Russia will finally lose this special thing. NATO is much stronger than I thought. And in a kind of counterintuitive way, some issues that I thought were points of weakness - and that they actually are - has been turned in points of strenght.
 
Send them anything and everything that’s been requested and is currently mothballed.
If they need to be retrofitted first do it and send them.
 
es7129 said:
Send them anything and everything that’s been requested and is currently mothballed.
If they need to be retrofitted first do it and send them.
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Do you aswered to me? I don't have understood.
 
Totality said:
Need to help end it quickly. The longer this drags out the greater the risk of nuclear escalation.
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I don't think that at the moment there is a real risk of a nuclear escalation. Russian read lines are very "elastic" and it is quite obvious that it has a very defensive posture, and to say "defensive" is quite euphemistic. It is seems the first time ever that a Country started an invasion just to have a defensive posture, with the invaded one that is the only one that makes offensive operations. The opinion I have formed is that Russia actually doesn't know at all about what to do. It acts like a person who doen't know what to do about his life and hence he limits his action only on what it is surely not-wrong, like eating, doing some sport, without any kind of planning toward an objective. Russia knows that there is a weapon storage? Then it hits it, but then? A missile strikes Belgorod? Then it stikes back a missile on Kiev, but then? It makes only reactions against actions, like an automatic reflex.
So, like any person who fails to undestand what to do about his like, Russian hope is likely to be that the time will "give the answer". Ukraine, as to say NATO, has took advantage from this inconclusiveness, by now absolutely undeniable: any kind of threats of retaliation has been proved to be complete blufs. Prigozin has said nothing but the true. So, I think that any kind of weapon will be finally given to Ukraine, even nukes. Ukraine is already practically a NATO member and if this war will arrive to a kind of long cease-fire, Russia will have not other choices except to accept the fact. If it has not took the initiative until now, it will no take the initiave now, when it is much more difficult then before. So, if Ukraine doesn't make something very very crazy in order to legitimate a nuclear responce (and I find difficult to make an example), I don't think that Russia could on the blue go nuclear. I think that there is no risk even for Crimea. For example: if Ukraine destroys the Kerch bridge, could Russia go nuclear for that? I doubt. In order to go nculear, Ukraine should make a massive strategic offensive toward Crimea, beating off any kind of defence. I don't think it is able to do that, but it is not necessary: it is enough to destroy the bridge and make pressure on the borders or a little beyond the borders.
Finally, at the moment I don't see in Russia any sign to change its posture.
 
I think it is very plausible that he has already ordered a WMD attack of some kind and the US was able to get ahead of it. This could also be the reason for increased appetite to send more advanced weapons. The US knows what Putin is going to do before he does. Remember the constant public reminders from Biden on the consequences? I can’t imagine what was being said behind the scenes.
 
It's interesting to see how Ukraine is shaping everything. Who could have predicted Ukraine funding Russian freedom fighters a year a go? Unheard of really and on top of it we say(The USA) it's ultimately Ukraine's decision.

This is really the calm before the storm before the counteroffensive. Our extensive knowledge of a theortical war against Russia is coming to bear through Ukraine. Russia is on the ropes, and we are helping Ukraine shape the perfect counter-offensive. Hopefully they grab more land that is projected. You have to think so, but nothing is for sure in war just like Russia is seeing.
 
TruthandJustice said:
I think it is very plausible that he has already ordered a WMD attack of some kind and the US was able to get ahead of it. This could also be the reason for increased appetite to send more advanced weapons. The US knows what Putin is going to do before he does. Remember the constant public reminders from Biden on the consequences? I can’t imagine what was being said behind the scenes.
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there are always times when ambiguity is not the proper course of action.


This is why I’ve been so adamant about refuting the posturing of Russia to try and paint this as a defensive war.

I know there are a great many who do not appreciate the actions of the US.
I am one of them from time to time.
However if you go back to the end of WW2 to the Breton Woods agreement. At the end of the war the US literally held ALL the cards. Europe and much of Asia as well as Russia was destroyed. While the population and infrastructure of the US was untouched and running on all cylinders.

What to do what to do?
The response was free trade for all and we’ll secure the lines of transportation, while guaranteeing safe free trade for all nations with little to no tariffs on imports to the US.
Plus we’ll pony up the money to help finance Europe and Asia rebuild.
IF everyone simply agrees to get along and play nice.

And it worked! Except for this 200 year old hard on Russia has regarding their perceived place in the world.
Imagine if Russia had simply said sure well sign on and play nice with everyone and respect boarders and other nations sovereignty governments and trade chooses.
Imagine what Russia would look like today in light of what Europe and Asia have been able to transform into.
It’s mind boggling.

But here we are still arguing about who has bigger balls?
 
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