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Peter Griffin said:
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Torch said:

BLUF: moved family to Russia. No jobs. Joined Russian Army apparently as welder. Does not speak Russian. Cannot understand training, which after 2 weeks of training he is asking for money to buy equipment before being sent to the Ukraine frontlines.
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Kremlin trolls, take notes.

Russias biggest export isn’t tanks or gas it’s conscripted credibility an conspiracies. Push the same tired script across so many countries and sadly Western audiences who crave being offered to buy it like a collectors item. Turning dissent into a subscription model.

Education is lacking in the West. At least that is what I blame for useful retards falling for weak propaganda from Russia and China in such numbers it seems.

👉 Also to the Western useful idiots reading this you’re not a contrarian you’re outsourced skepticism, and a simpleton. Amplifying dogma of dictators who would kill you for a hashtag without a second thought. All while using the excuse of "hearing the other side" to defend your piss poor garbage of propaganda.

Keep applauding authoritarian talking points and watch how quickly your “principles” get replaced with curfews, banned books, and disappeared dissidents. You want a multipolar future? Fine but don’t be surprised when the price is silence, scarcity, and state approved execution squads in your future.

Maybe try harder too. So many flooding the internet with copy pastes, Kremlin trolls have become anything but unique anymore.
 
DarkNoon said:
Kremlin trolls, take notes.

Russias biggest export isn’t tanks or gas it’s conscripted credibility an conspiracies. Push the same tired script across so many countries and sadly Western audiences who crave being offered to buy it like a collectors item. Turning dissent into a subscription model.

Education is lacking in the West. At least that is what I blame for useful retards falling for weak propaganda from Russia and China in such numbers it seems.

👉 Also to the Western useful idiots reading this you’re not a contrarian you’re outsourced skepticism, a useful simpleton idiot. Amplifying dogma of dictators who would kill you for a hashtag without a second thought. All while using the excuse of "hearing the other side" to defend your piss poor garbage of propaganda.

Keep applauding authoritarian talking points and watch how quickly your “principles” get replaced with curfews, banned books, and disappeared dissidents. You want a multipolar future? Fine but don’t be surprised when the price is silence, scarcity, and state approved execution squads in your future.

Maybe try harder too. So many flooding the internet with copy pastes, Kremlin trolls have become anything but unique anymore.
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Great to see someone else took my advice. 👍🤝
 
7gtz said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1967949858800840721
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Snowfall said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1967937171853283538
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As much as I disagree with the Trump administrations stance on Ukraine, this is why Russia says the sanctions campaign is trivial. You can impose all the sanctions you want but if you’re still funding Russias main export than you’re a hypocrite. Yes the United States is included in this as we should look elsewhere for potash and uranium.
 
Snowfall said:
As much as I disagree with the Trump administrations stance on Ukraine, this is why Russia says the sanctions campaign is trivial. You can impose all the sanctions you want but if you’re still funding Russias main export than you’re a hypocrite. Yes the United States is included in this as we should look elsewhere for potash and uranium.
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We (the USA’s hierarchy) don’t actually want to end the war. That would be silly. Lot of money to be made killing Russians. We are going to defend the Ukraine to the last ounce of their blood!

Too much money lost in sales to both the concerned countries in the Russian Neighborhood and sales to recent converts. Russia is selling American equipment like crazy. Their apparent incompetence and extremely sub par performing equipment make the high price for all western arms worth it.

The USA has made it clear we care about the Ukrainian people but consider this former foe to sit, at least in part, in Russias very diminutive sphere of Influence.

Side note the Ukraines are like Honey Badgers. Thank god we didn’t have to face them in WW3, “Attack of the Warsaw Pact” They are on my do not mess with, all time Champ types. Finland and Vietnam provide them company on that list.

I’m getting off tract. The American people want to help the Ukraine (😝) defeat Russia and the American Government clearly wants to help the Ukrainians fight the Russians. The rest is, sickeningly, just Theater.
 
Snowfall said:
It’s crazy how cheaply cobbled together these things are. The amount of damage versus cost to build is staggering.
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Things will change quickly once the Iron Beam is mass produced and everyone gets their hands on it:
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Thread 'Laser-based ‘Iron Beam’ Interception System Declared Operational'

⚡Laser-based ‘Iron Beam’ interception system declared operational:
Israel’s high-powered laser interception system, dubbed “Iron Beam,” has been declared operational after completing development and final tests, and is set to be delivered to the military by the end of the year, the Defense Ministry and manufacturer Rafael said on Wednesday.

The Iron Beam has been in development for over a decade; it was first unveiled in 2014. During the current war, a lower-powered version of the system was used by the Israel Defense Forces to shoot down Hezbollah drones...
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Torch said:
The Finn’s last major fights were all with Russia. (First of three were as part of Sweden against Russia).

Now the Finn’s have joined NATO for additional protection against Russia. Why the hell would Russia complain that the “veneer of neutrality” has worn away?
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Because people on Russian state tv say dumb shit all the time. I used to like ISW but this week I don’t know what’s up with them, they’ve even started quoting Medvedev as a legitimate source.
 
Charmender said:
Estonian airspace violation is being given too much importance by the media.
The incident is already over, and Estonia's FM has summoned the Russian's counterpart to deliver a letter of protests.
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Was it the actual airspace or the identification zone? The only image I’ve seen looks like the incident happened over the water so I’d like to see where the aircraft crossed in reference to each boundary.
 
Snowfall said:
Was it the actual airspace or the identification zone? The only image I’ve seen looks like the incident happened over the water so I’d like to see where the aircraft crossed in reference to each boundary.
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Correction Estonia doesn’t have a traditional ADIZ, so this basically happened over their territorial waters in the Baltic Sea. I’m chopping this one up to the same shit that’s been going on for decades and nothing too out of the ordinary in comparison to the drone breaches.
 
Spyglass said:
Except declawing Russia isn’t the same as declawing a domestic cat. More like declawing a fully awake and lucid lion that speaks fluent Russian. You’d get mauled to death before you can even remove the first claw.

That statement isn’t a joke, Russia will never let that happen. A real war between NATO and Russia would be infinitely bloody and would last years.
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maybe years, but maybe 2 hours😂
 
Still, this is serious. Russia keeps testing NATO, probing how far they can go. These provocations are deliberate, systematic, and dangerous. Putin's getting exactly what he wants. NATO simply accepting Putin's small moves at escalation is exactly what he is aiming for.
 
7gtz said:
Still, this is serious. Russia keeps testing NATO, probing how far they can go. These provocations are deliberate, systematic, and dangerous. Putin's getting exactly what he wants. NATO simply accepting Putin's small moves at escalation is exactly what he is aiming for.
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They moved a significant amount of air defense capabilities to the eastern flank from numerous members. NATO is responding, the response against three jets over what is barely territorial waters is not equivalent to how NATO would respond if they detected something more sinister going on. Also this is the stuff they’ve been doing since the end of the Cold War and the same stuff NATO does to Russia, not talking about the drones talking about the aircraft, not exactly NATO accepting something new more so both sides accepting the status quo.
 
Snowfall said:
They moved a significant amount of air defense capabilities to the eastern flank from numerous members. NATO is responding, the response against three jets over what is barely territorial waters is not equivalent to how NATO would respond if they detected something more sinister going on. Also this is the stuff they’ve been doing since the end of the Cold War and the same stuff NATO does to Russia, not talking about the drones talking about the aircraft, not exactly NATO accepting something new more so both sides accepting the status quo.
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Remind me when NATO fighter jets entered Russian airspace last.

Russia is testing the waters. They aren't going to enter into a war; they'll just back down, retaliate in some toned-down manner, and calm down. It's a test, and NATO is failing miserably IMO. You can't just keep complaining and saying the same things every single time a Russian projectile intrudes NATO airspace. Moving assets means nothing if the response to a Russian intrusion is just a strongly worded letter and a deployment of 25 jets, many of which aren't even suitably equipped for CUAS warfare.
 
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